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post #5451 of 8644 (permalink) Old 02-10-2013, 07:44 PM
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I think in 2011, you could make a legit argument for guys like Dwight, Rose and Dirk for MVP.

Bron in 2011 wasn't as good as he is now, Heat underachieved (relatively speaking) and he wasn't even that much better than Wade that year and it showed in the playoffs. His season numbers were better but a lot of that had to do with Bron dominating the ball more than Wade and their substitution pattern too because Bron would spend more time with the bench than Wade did so again, he had more control of the game.

Dwight had his best offensive season that year, anchored the #3 D in the league and led a relatively weak supporting cast to a 53-29 record. You can definitely argue him as MVP. Dirk's season numbers are a bit weak but his impact is there. Dallas was 55-18 when he played, 2-7 when he sat out. Rose led the Bulls to the best record in the league and didn't have much offensive help tho they were the best defensive + rebounding in the league.

That race was definitely closer than this year. You can argue for Bron but there's argument for others too. This year, not as much. Heat have a great record, Bron is clearly the best player in the league so he's both dominant on an individual and team level more so than any other guy out there.
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LeBron James tore the Lakers up this afternoon. Fun game. At least the Lakers looked like a cohesive team that was motivated and driven to win, even if they came up short. Ridiculous the amount of rebounds the Heat got considering that is their chief weakness. LeBron is playing on another planet right now. If he keeps this up at all, he has MVP sewn up, and rightly so.

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tbf, I don't see why no one thinks Durant is close to Lebron. Yes I will admit his defense isn't even close to Lebron's, but he has significantly improved over the last two years and his rebounding is amazing as well. Lebron's stats always come off as inflated to me(I know the skill is there guys, calm down) because he has dominant rebounder on his team and no other playmaker besides Wade who doesn't really do it anymore. That leads to increased rebounding/assists stats, so it's not really fair to say "Lebron averages this and this and every other player doesn't" when every other player doesn't have such a weak suppoting cast in those categories. This year's team is built a lot like those Cleveland teams were in the way that they can make up for Lebron's very few weaknesses(which is basically only good outside shooting on offense to spread the floor now).


add to the fact that Durant's percentage numbers alone lead to a record breaking TS% I believe. His literally shooting out of his mind this year.

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Honesty Durant is the only other one at Lebron's level right now. He's not quite as good as Lebron but he's in the discussion. Dude is leading the league in scoring while shooting over 50% from the field and 43% from 3 and his team has the second best record in league. Any other year that would be an easy pick for MVP, but not this year.

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MPG FG% 3pt% FT% OREB DREB TREB APG SPG BPG TOs PPG

39.0 0.516 0.430 0.903 0.5 6.9 7.5 4.4 1.6 1.2 3.2 29.1

38.5 0.560 0.420 0.735 1.2 6.9 8.1 6.9 1.6 0.9 3.0 26.9

those numbers are ridiculously close and yes I realize these stats don't show someone's true defensive value, which once again Lebron is far superior at, but the Heat's overall defense isn't even that great this year.

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MPG FG% 3pt% FT% OREB DREB TREB APG SPG BPG TOs PPG

39.0 0.516 0.430 0.903 0.5 6.9 7.5 4.4 1.6 1.2 3.2 29.1

38.5 0.560 0.420 0.735 1.2 6.9 8.1 6.9 1.6 0.9 3.0 26.9

those numbers are ridiculously close and yes I realize these stats don't show someone's true defensive value, which once again Lebron is far superior at, but the Heat's overall defense isn't even that great this year.
On/off numbers point to Bron having very good defensive impact (-4 pts worse when he's off which is the highest on the team). There were seasons where prime Mutombo wasn't on good defensive teams either so at times, you have to look past the numbers and the eye test is more valuable imo.

I think a key difference between Bron and KD is that I honestly don't see Bron going as hard as he possibly can and he's capable of much more. I think he just does so much of his damage in the flow of the game and effortlessly. He's just making the game look really easy. KD is like that too with how deadly and unguardable of a scorer he is with his length/shooting ability/athleticism but his game just isn't as diversified and complete as Bron's is.
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Celtic/Nuggets going into triple overtime. Great game.

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