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Old 01-07-2013, 12:15 PM   #3561 (permalink)
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well tbf, that up tempo style worked for them due to them having 3 or 4 hall of famers constantly on their roster...oh wait....
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Hiring D'Antoni was terrible IMO. I felt like they only hired him because the were obsessed with re-creating "Showtime" when teams like that are long gone now and don't win championships. Hell, the Showtime Lakers were pretty much the last team to play that up-tempo style and win a title if I'm not mistaken.
Showtime was never going to work with Kobe and Howard on this team, no matter the PG. That's where D'Antoni has gone wrong.

He should take a step back and look at their careers.

Kobe has been a primary scoring option and top facilitator in the triangle offense almost the entire time he has been a starter in this league. Even with Shaq, Kobe started taking the most shots for this team back in the 2000-01 season, winning four of his five rings as the guy doing so.

Dwight has played in the "four out, one in" motion offense since he became a threat near the rim...basically most of his career, also. Van Gundy's offense catered Howard, and allowed four other players on the court to become three-point threats out of a strong Howard double-team, and that led them to the 2009 NBA Finals.

Both Kobe and Dwight were the primary scorers, and both created for their teammates. Kobe led the team in assists almost every season he has played with LA since the first championship...and has done so in every championship. Howard's assists were more hockey assists than anything, so you don't quite see that in the statsheet.

So what does a Showtime offense do for these two guys? It turns Kobe into Byron Scott, and Dwight is left trailing like Kareem would in his later years.

The difference is, Byron Scott never broke the offense to drop 30, and that's what's keeping us from being the worst team in the NBA.

The "offensive genius" we have coaching us right now...is a one-trick pony. He's not allowing Kobe and Dwight to maximize their effectiveness on the court. The point of bringing those two together was to force teams to double both, leaving two guys open...but if you're running your offense in a way that doesn't allow Dwight to catch down low AND doesn't allow Kobe to work his magic in the post, you're just not going to see consistent productive play.

When LeBron came to Miami, you didn't see him adjust to Wade, and you didn't see Wade adjust to Bosh. Both Wade and Bosh adjusted to the primary option and facilitator. Did that happen immediately? Nope, and as a result, the Heat started off rocky. Even in the 2011 Finals, LeBron did start to adjust to his teammates, and it cost them the championship. What happened in the offseason? He developed a post game, and the entire team stacked around that and won a championship with him leading the way.

Nash isn't even Dwyane Wade right now. Our coach has to recognize it, or we're going to fall short and watch Portland and Denver snag the last of the playoff spots out West.
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the fact that simple pick and roll offense would do wonders for this team opposed to the shit that both Pringles and Brown have tried to implement is ridiculous. They're making this far more complicated for themselves than they have to, the triangle system would have worked best, but honestly I don't think this team needs much of a system rather they should do as real deal said and just go to both Dwight/Kobe's sweet spots.


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Gasol is mentally checked out...not just the injuries and the age, but he's just done here. Hard to really explain, but when you watch him with the Spanish national team, he's comfortable because he's a reliable scoring option that they have to lean on.

Here, he's sitting behind Kobe, Dwight, and sometimes Ron Artest. He's also not handling the ball as much as he wants to, as a big man who can pass better than most in the league (even today).

But, physically...there are also issues, and you see them arise on both sides of the ball, especially back on defense. He's late rotating over, he requires help from a roaming guard or forward, sometimes even Dwight, and his base isn't as strong as it once was (and really, never has been, but things are pretty bad now). Offensively, he's reluctant to go into the post, and this BS about Howard taking up space is ridiculous; Gasol gets time on the floor without Dwight, and he's still standing 16-23 feet away from the rim.

In a faster uptempo offense, he's more useless than ever. He can't run the floor like he used to, and he knows it...so his effort is non-existent.

Finally, he's playing the wrong position. A slower, older Gasol has to play center. He can't defend the four anymore, and he can't take anyone to the rim consistently throughout a game. Even over the course of 2-3 years, Gasol's best numbers did come as a center, and he was the second-best scoring option we had when he played center for us on our way to the 2009 NBA championship. The Gasol/Odom duo up front was very productive in 2010.

We need to get what we can out of him, and quick, before his value plummets to the point where late first draft picks won't even be an option, and teams consider his huge $19 million expiring isn't worth having to suffer through one year of his inconsistent play.
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I'm still sticking to the belief that Pau will be traded for a stretch four like a Bargnani or Ryan Anderson. Something that I feel D'Antoni would be in favor of.

I agree that I think Pau has mentally checked out, he really hasn't been the same since the 2011 playoffs and since the Lakers "traded him" for CP3. I also agree about Pau transitioning to center. That's the position he's most effective at, and that's the position he needs to be playing. I don't think Pau is done, I just think he needs a change of scenery. His time in LA is over with, it would be best for both parties for the Lakers to get rid of Pau.
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Trading for Bargnani will be a mistake. He's a train wreck on the defensive end, and all he does is shoot the ball (and not very well, either). Toronto has won 8 of their last 10 without him, and is one of the hottest teams in the NBA...despite being arguably the worst right before his injury.

And Bargnani coming over probably means Calderon as well, who is also horrific on the defensive end...worse than Nash.

Offensively, it could be the best we can get for Gasol when you look at points alone...but when you consider efficiency, offensive skillset, and then their defense, it wouldn't do much for us, and we'd still have to run an uptempo offense to suit both of them.
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Yes I know Gasol for Bargnani is a downgrade, but Bargnani seems like the type of player D'Antoni would love.

Plus Gasol's trade value is going down by the day. And with how great Toronto is playing without him, so is Bargnani's.
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literally no wants Bargnani Notorious...no one. The only solution to fix this team is firing Pringles but Lakers probably won't do that as that's around 10 million they would be paying to coaches that aren't even coaching. I don't understand why they gave them such bad contracts and for so long, but yeah, he's a problem that can't be fixed.
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The Raptors have to get rid of him somehow. I'm sure someone will take him if the price isn't steep.

Anyway, the Heat have brought in Birdman for a workout, they have two roster spots open since they waived Jorts and Terrel Harris, would be a smart idea for them to sign him. He's pretty much the best FA center available. Well technically Oden is, but he's never healthy.

Also just realized that if the Lakers miss the playoffs they won't even have their own pick, as the pick would go to Phoenix.
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