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Old 01-07-2013, 01:42 AM   #3551 (permalink)
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And the Lakers lost again. At home. Nash coming back sure did turn that team around!

Certainly can't blame Kobe. He's busting his ass, night in & night out.
Well they still look a bit better than without him, A BIT

But damn, Nuggets look also pretty good this season.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:48 AM   #3552 (permalink)
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Nuggets are pretty deep. They got a lot of bench help. Lakers had only one guy score a field goal in the forth quarter. That being Kobe. They have a lot of problems. They just don't seem to click from a chemistry stand point & I'm not entirely sure why. I think Dwight Howard sticks out like a sore thumb. He only took six FG attempts all game, I think? He's also apparently not playing defense, as he just moved out of the way of Iguadala. Plus he's always the last man up the court, from either team. It's like he doesn't give a fuck. Then you get D'Antoni post game talking about how you can't give up X number of points in the first quarter. No shit! Maybe that's why you should care about fucking DEFENSE, you moron.

Dwight Howard, Mike D'Antoni, a lackluster bench, a not 100%/aging Nash... I don't think they're going to turn it around. They look like a .500 club to me.
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I hate fucking players who just think they're all that and don't give a shit, air balls free throws and just laughs it off instead of doing anything about it. Aka Dwight Howard
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I hate fucking players who just think they're all that and don't give a shit, air balls free throws and just laughs it off instead of doing anything about it. Aka Dwight Howard
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For a team that supposedly sucks at shooting threes, the Nuggets sure like to career it against the Lakers.
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Nash is the focal point of D'Antoni's system. That's the main problem, aside from our defensive woes. We have two superstars, and we're running an offense that forces our older players to run + our two superstars to adjust to a 39-year old PG that refuses to shoot the ball (despite being a 50/40/90 shooter).

Mix the "four out, one in" offense (that Orlando used to send D12 to the Finals) with triangle properties, to run this team around the two players that mean the most. Instead of turning Nash into a shoot-first PG, we can give him room to operate in moderate P&R situations with Dwight...so at least we're getting THAT out of him + his shooting.

Defensively, funnel players to the baseline and into Dwight. It cuts off an entire half of a court, and makes contesting much easier on both our individual defenders AND Howard.

None of this is being done. Kobe can take the 20-22 shots a night, because he was taking 20+ in every championship we won at a similar percentage (I believe lower, actually...and he may have attempted just 17-18 the first ring), and Howard is not the offensive machine Shaq was anyway...but while he's dropping his 25-30 each night, we have to adjust for Howard and the older players, and that's all on D'Antoni and Steve Nash.

Otherwise, we're turning into the Phoenix Suns...and unlike the Suns, who had a plethora of shooters and a younger Nash, we aren't going to win 60 games playing that way.

It's mind-blowing to me that a coach would want to play against the strengths of his two superstars, even if it means inserting a system he has had success with most of his career, and favoring a player who was there with him during those times.

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Those are all shooters Nash had at his fingertips during his time in Phoenix, playing in an offense that allowed them to get up the court and launch within seven seconds, not allowing the opposing defense to get back in transition.

We don't have that. We are an older team. Older teams can beat out younger teams...we saw this with Dallas over Miami in 2011, and Miami over the Thunder last season. They just have to recognize their inabilities, and play smarter and slower basketball.

Despite all of the talent and two MVP's, Nash has never sniffed the NBA Finals. He's 39 now, had trouble scoring over 13 PPG last season on a team that desperately needed him to. He's a horrible defender. He can't get to the paint as well as he could back in 2004 and 2005. Why are we constructing a team around HIM?

This team will stay doomed if D'Antoni and Nash don't adjust to the five-time champion and the one guy that carried his own team to the NBA Finals on his back, on offense and especially on the defensive end. It was written the day D'Antoni showed his face on our sidelines...and if we miss the playoffs this season, we likely lose Howard, Kobe considers earlier retirement, and we're left with only a 41-year old Steve Nash on our roster in the summer of 2014.
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i heard they got into a heated fight with dwight being restrained by his teammates. i wouldnt doubt it
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RealDeal, what do you think about the rumors of Kobe and Dwight not getting along?
Hard to say it's true, for a couple of reasons:

1) It came from the NY Daily, I believe...and that's really the only source reporting it.

2) We didn't hear anything about the conflict that supposedly happened days ago...and that's keeping in mind that it's Los Angeles, and Twitter is usually always on top of things.

Dwight did mention something about sharing the ball, but I get this hunch that he's talking more about Ron Artest. It's going under the radar, but Ron is taking 11 shots a night, shooting under 42%. He's shooting more than Dwight.

Why is that? D'Antoni's offense.

Even if Dwight was speaking about Kobe, that's idiotic. Bryant's shot attempts are close to matching what he was doing back when he won four of his five rings, but at an even higher percentage (career high). In addition to that, Dwight knows he'll take more foul shots with more touches.

Netting one point (shooting 50% from the line)...is actually the same as Kobe's two point buckets at 48%. Both take two possessions to get two points...Dwight with 2/4 free throws, Kobe shooting 1/2 jumpers.

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1) Start Jordan Hill.

2) Trade Gasol for a defensive-minded player, or a decent offensive threat that can at least play defense better than 50% of the league.

3) Sign Delonte West after waiving one or two of our young players.

4) Since we basically have to keep D'Antoni, ask Kurt Rambis if he'll come in and help with our defensive woes.

5) Change the offense, slow the game down. Play combos of the "four out, one in" for Dwight, while installing triangle properties for Kobe. P&R mixed in for our bigs + Nash. Tell Nash to play off the ball more, instead of becoming useless every now and then.

Meanwhile, D'Antoni needs to sit the players down in the locker room, grab a marker, and write down projected minutes for every player, and also, set rotations for particular situations.

Stop shooting threes. Stop giving Ron Artest 10+ shots in a game. Force the penetrating guard to the baseline, not the paint. Come up and defend your man on the screen, no switches and no giving up open jumpers...you have a defensive anchor, so use him.

Also, if we're dealing Gasol (or if he's going to spend his time outside of the block, no matter what), then post Kobe up on the opposite side of Howard. Dwight doesn't have to have his back to the basket to be effective, so if a bit of room is needed, it's fine.

Like I said, this team is old. They need to play like they are...not necessarily regarding effectiveness, but pace and strategy-wise.
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Hiring D'Antoni was terrible IMO. I felt like they only hired him because the were obsessed with re-creating "Showtime" when teams like that are long gone now and don't win championships. Hell, the Showtime Lakers were pretty much the last team to play that up-tempo style and win a title if I'm not mistaken.
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