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Old 12-17-2012, 05:03 PM   #2351 (permalink)
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Looking forward to the the rockets vs Knicks game. Any word on Melo?
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:26 PM   #2352 (permalink)
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The return of Linsanity to MSG tonight. The place where it all began. Don't let me down Lin. I'm all Lin for tonight. James Harden needs to stop hogging the ball.
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Looking forward to the the rockets vs Knicks game. Any word on Melo?
he's been ruled out.
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Lin won't do anything special as long as Harden is playing. Unless Houston goes away from their normal offensive gameplan which features Harden dominating the ball a lot and instead has Lin being the ball-dominant player on offense, which is really the only way Lin can be effective.

On another subject, it's nice to see Deron Williams finally being honest.

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"I was injured the first year (and needed season-ending right wrist surgery)," Williams said Monday, a day before the Nets host the Jazz at Barclays Center. "I've really had injuries while I've been with (the Nets) the whole time. And didn't have the talent around me that I did (with the Jazz).


"And that system (in Utah) was a great system for my style of play. I'm a system player, and I loved Coach (Jerry) Sloan's system. I loved the offense there. We could've been a really good team. We just weren't that good defensively as a group."
I'll probably get flamed for it but I still believe that Deron is a system player and was a product of Jerry Sloan. Right now he's in my top 5 PG's, still remains in my top 10 though. I rank him #7 now behind CP3/Rose/Westbrook/Parker/Rondo/Kyrie.
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Lin won't do anything special as long as Harden is playing. Unless Houston goes away from their normal offensive gameplan which features Harden dominating the ball a lot and instead has Lin being the ball-dominant player on offense, which is really the only way Lin can be effective.
This. I said this earlier ITT. They do not compliment each other well since their games overlap to a certain extent and negate the other's strengths.
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This. I said this earlier ITT. They do not compliment each other well since their games overlap to a certain extent and negate the other's strengths.
Lin's numbers on the season: 10.8 PPG on 48% TS, 6.0 APG, 4.0 RPG, 13.24 PER

Lin's per 36 numbers this season with Harden not on the floor: 19.7 PPG on 55% TS, 7.5 APG, 5.1 RPG, 17.7 PER

So essentially this season with Lin playing the majority of his time with Harden on the floor and Lin forced to play an off-ball role due to Harden's ball domination, he's an inefficient 11/6/4 player.

With Harden of the floor and Lin given the keys to the offense and being able to dominate the ball where he's at his best, he's a 20/8/5 player on average shooting numbers.

But who cares about Lin...AVERY BRADLEY DA GAWD IS BACK IN PRACTICE
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:00 PM   #2357 (permalink)
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Those stats are interesting but IDK if the difference is THAT substantial. That looks like the difference between a All-Star PG vs a very mediocre starter.

What's the sample size (# of min) on Lin's numbers without Harden on the floor? Also, how much of those numbers came when the benches were in the game?

Those two could factors could skew the stats a bit but there's no doubt, he excels without a ball dominant player/creator next to him.
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106 minutes. So if you split it per 36 that's approximately a 3 game sample size. And I'm sure those numbers are skewed due to the one game where Lin played almost 40 minutes with Harden missing the game due to injury and dropped 38 against the Spurs.

Here's the excerpt that was posted on RealGM, since it came from an ESPN Insider article and I'm not subscribed to them.

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But look what happens to Lin's numbers in the 106 minutes he has played when Harden hits the bench: 19.7 points, 7.5 assists, 5.1 rebounds with an above-average 55.4 TS% and a 17.7 PER.

That's pretty darn good. If those numbers look familiar, there's a reason for it. Check out Lin's per-36 minute stat line in New York last season: 19.6 points, 8.3 assists and 4.1 rebounds. 55.2 TS% and a 19.9 PER.

What we're seeing here is when Lin plays without Harden, his shooting percentages and scoring rates are almost identical to his numbers from last season. In other words, he has shown he can still be the player that took the world by storm last season. But when he plays next to the ball-dominant shooting guard, everything changes. Context, as you can see, is incredibly important.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out why Lin hasn't been a perfect complement next to Harden. They're both masters of the pick-and-roll, but the problem is that they can't run a pick-and-roll at the same time. Because Harden is the better player of the two, Lin usually plays off the ball and lets Harden go to work. But if Lin had a reliable spot-up jump shot, this wouldn't be an issue. Unfortunately, Lin ranks 79th among 121 players in catch-and-shoot efficiency this season, according to SynergySports (minimum 50 such shots). Ray Allen, he is not.

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But without Harden on the court? Lin visits the free throw line more than three times as often (6.5 attempts per 36 minutes) while his attempts from beyond the arc essentially doesn't change (3.1 attempts). Lin's averages last season: 7.0 free throw attempts and 2.9 attempts from deep. Mirror images.

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It bears mentioning that Lin is still just 24 years old and also coming off offseason knee surgery. He still has room to grow as a professional basketball player, considering he has only 87 games under his belt. Since 1995, only one other player has averaged 15 points, 7 assists, 4 rebounds and 2 steals per 36 minutes in their first three seasons in the league. His name: Chris Paul.
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That's pretty impressive.

I wonder if they'll experiment with Lin taking a more ball dominant role and Harden plays off-ball more, coming off screens, curls, making cuts and whatnot but Harden's mid range game is very mediocre for him to really be a off-ball threat.
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they've played around 20 games together. when they come in with similar styles it will take time for them to grow chemistry wise which will either happen or won't. enough games haven't played yet to determine whether they should be split or not as they still have a lot of adjusting to do.
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