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**Red Viper** · 11-30-2012, 02:51 PM

Kobe was being Kobe before Nadal was known. The only problem is after 17 years it kind of becomes difficult to be that kind of Kobe. I think the reason he's going so hard is because it's his final two seasons, but I would still love for him to being these last two seasons while healthy.

**The Lady Killer** · 11-30-2012, 02:56 PM

Not to mention his team fucking sucks at the moment.

**Notorious** · 11-30-2012, 02:56 PM

Kobe is pretty much carrying the Lakers. If he would miss any significant time with injury they'd be fucked.

**Red Viper** · 11-30-2012, 02:59 PM

That sentence holds true for every year since he became a starter. People really overlook Kobe's value to the team and it always seem they have. I honestly feel if he was ever actually injured people would begin to realize how important he really was to the team, something they probably won't realize until he retires.

**Notorious** · 11-30-2012, 03:01 PM

I've been saying that for years now, that Kobe won't truly be appreciated until he's gone.

**Red Viper** · 11-30-2012, 03:05 PM

The same applies for Duncan. his game gets completely overlooked and he doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves, although that might remain the case even after he retires, but we won't see another talent like him for a long time.

How many superstars have actually won 4+ rings like they have? There's Shaq, Jordan, Pippen, Magic, Kareem, Worthy, and the Russell Celtics? I really don't understand how people don't realize how special these players really are when they've been so damn successful in a league where only the very top teams compete every year.

**The Lady Killer** · 11-30-2012, 03:07 PM

Yeah I was thinking about Duncan during the game last night. He's truly a special talent. It hardly ever gets mentioned that he has won 4 rings.

**Notorious** · 11-30-2012, 03:11 PM

You pretty much named all.

Duncan is the best PF of all-time in my eyes and it's not even arguable to me. It's also a shame that Duncan never won a DPOY, I think he should've got one of the four that Ben Wallace won.

**Notorious** · 11-30-2012, 03:20 PM

Sorry for the double post, but you guys have to read this article posted by Woj on David Stern and the Spurs. This is a really great article:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--da...194828970.html

**Red Viper** · 11-30-2012, 03:27 PM

lol saying sorry for a double post. I double post all the time. Editing is usually too much of a hassle and I really don't see the big deal about it all.

and I also love Woj. Him and Aldridge are usually my favorite guys when it comes to articles as they come off as they actually seem to love the sport and show a great understanding of it.