Ehh. I think Jones wins that fight 7 times out of 10. Jon would study the fuck out of Anderson Silva's technique and would strategize accordingly. Too strong, and extremely quick for his size, can wrestlefuck, and can destroy in the clinch game. He's basically Lesnar, Damien Maia, and Dos Santos combined into one fucking monster.
FO: Dana White recently said something to the effect of ‘Rory MacDonald says he won’t ever fight his team mate GSP - but if he saw GSP’s bank balance he would fight him.’ Is he right?
"No he’s not right about that. The thing us, sometimes there are more important things than money. We have bills to pay like everybody else but we aren’t going to trample each other to do that. We have grown up together, we’ve spent years together, hours and hours training and living together. We aren’t going to let that get betweens us."
"GSP probably makes more money than any other fighter out there and yeah Rory wants to get there but we are not going to do it by sabotaging each other. I think Rory has a chance to get there and I think GSP will actually help him get there by opening up doors for him. Don’t forget when Rory was too broke to rent a hotel room to train at TriStar, he was living with GSP - GSP took him in. And so its kind of hard to turn out on someone like that."
Didn't know that GSP actually took in Rory. That's great. I'm incredibly confident that those two won't ever fight each other.
Can't wait until Jordan Burrows gets into MMA. The guy would be and is a straight up beast. He would destroy everything and anything in the Welterweight division if he trains MMA.
Being a good wrestler in wrestling doesn't mean he can translate that to MMA. We also don't know if he can develop striking & BJJ.
The first episode of TUF was decent, nothing special. The fights were way better last season on the first episode, though. Roy is a dick with an ego that doesn't match his ability by any stretch. Carwin is going to smash him when they fight, without question.
uh, no, not at all really.
Carwin is a wrestler that isn't good at setting up his takedowns, with little to no technique in the stand up department, and a questionable gas tank. he's really powerful, that's about it. his stand-up technique consists of a 1-2 combo, and that's quite literally it. he was being out-struck by Christian Wellisch, who isn't good at all, before he won with a 1-2 combo. he was getting outstruck and was actually staggered by a punch from Neil Wain, an overweight English brawler with limited ability, before he took him down with a horribly timed takedown and won by GNP. Gonzaga outstruck Carwin before losing to the dreaded 1-2 combo, and Frank Mir also outstruck Carwin in the standup department before losing via strikes in the clinch. his best win was Mir, but Mir also came into the fight with a horrid gameplan. other than that, he isn't that impressive at all. Mir could easily win a rematch too barring another dumb gameplan, his standup and gas tank is infinitely better and Carwin's striking defense also leaves a lot to be desired. aside from being powerful and being able to use his strength to takedown weaker opponents (despite his deplorable timing), he just... isn't that good. at all. definitely not good enough to beat Roy Nelson "without question" Frank Mir, who is basically known for having non-existent wrestling, stuffed a Shane Carwin takedown attempt in the middle of the octagon, after Mir threw a combination and Carwin actually managed to counter and shoot in underneath. he STILL couldn't take someone like Mir down.
Carwin has also gassed both times he's left the first round. while he "punched himself out" against Lesnar, he was already dead tired after that round. it was extreme. i mean... Lesnar took him down and it was like grappling with a sack of potatoes. he got submitted by a negative blue belt. it was sad. then against JDS, he was mostly on the receiving end of the punishment and he still gassed, despite being slimmer.
if anything, Carwin is tailor made for someone Nelson. what's to suggest Roy won't take Carwin's punches, have Carwin gas out and win via submission or decision after Carwin is exhausted one round in? Roy has taken shots that are basically just as powerful if not more powerful than a typical Carwin short 1-2 combo. he ate Mir's knees, Werdum's knees, and JDS' punches. regardless of who the favorite is, i think it's pretty funny that you said Carwin will beat him "without question." try watching less highlight reels, i guess?
I find it highly amusing this guy's main argument is that Rush didn't say he thought Penn WAS the LW GOAT in his initial post despite the fact he said it a post or two later. Talk about desperate. Paragraphs and paragraphs of incoherent rambling when you both actually agree Penn is the LW GOAT .
uh, did you actually read what happened? Rush said Penn could've been the LW Goat if he applied himself, i said he already is the LW GOAT, and Rush basically said that his initial statement shouldve been read as "BJ Penn is already the LW GOAT, but if he applied himself more he would've been the LW Goat by far and away" to anyone with a brain.
the point was that Rush contradicted himself again, like he usually does because he says something wrong where none of the sheep here will challenge his knowledge, so when he gets called out on it he starts running around in a panic. the guy isn't that smart. i actually showed a few people this guys argument and they're legitimately wondering how Rush gets up in the morning without helplessly shitting his pants and running into the wall. the fact that he eventually stopped replying and just said that i was in my own fantasy word when i was dumbing things down to a 3rd grade level for him just proves that he was wrong, and he knows it. lol'd hard at "49-46 Rush" though, whoever that was again. clearly you have an adorable internet crush on Rush. i think you're the guy who discovered MMA around UFC 128 or something? your first fight was Rua/Jones? funny.
i don't know what my favorite part was:
1) BJ Penn COULD HAVE BEEN the GOAT if he applied himself translating to ---> BJ Penn is the GOAT, but he would've been the GOAT far and away if he applied himself
2) Aoki is arguably LW GOAT
3) the criticisms for Fedor were the same before and after his 3 consecutive losses
by the way, BJ Penn is already the LW GOAT, and pretty handily too. either way, both of your arguments were dead wrong, as per usual. i look forward to pointing out even more incorrect things to say in the future.
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There's a rumour going around that Mir is out of the Cormier fight. It's just a rumour though, i haven't seen anything official. I still think that Cormier beats him though
There's a rumour going around that Mir is out of the Cormier fight. It's just a rumour though, i haven't seen anything official. I still think that Cormier beats him though
it's official. too bad, Mir would've been his hardest fight to date by far. he's good. really fucking good.
edit: not sure why you keep mentioning a rubber match, it's going to keep happening anytime Rush says anything horribly incorrect, which is going to happen often. think of it more like Wanderlei vs Sakuraba if it happened hundreds of times
rubber match? he's a useless poster who hasn't said anything intelligent in his life let alone of the forum. Its nice that your carers tried to build your confidence up though son. Good for you.
I seriously wonder if you try and look like a fool or if its just natural. Criticisms of Fedor were the exact same before and after the 3 losses. The 3 losses provided some credence to the argument for those on that side of it, it didn't create a new point of view. Providing backing for an argument isn't the same as creating a completely new argument. Before those losses people said he was overrated and fighting cans and padding his record in Japan. After the 3 losses, it was the exact same argument, only this time with more backing behind this theory.
I find it more amusing that you're clearly a zuffa zombie and probably only started to watch MMA after it became the 'in' thing. Not that there's anything wrong with that, its just amusing when you try and make an opinion of fighters when you've never seen them fight. Despite this, you're a fairly well balanced poster ogorodnikov, you've got a chip on both shoulders and not an ounce of brain up top.
I stopped replying because you strawman every argument. The mere fact you have no idea what this is or what is meant by it is hilarious. I'll use wiki to show you, maybe you'll learn something.
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The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:
1. Person 1 has position X.
2. Person 2 disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:
Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.
Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).
Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.
Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
3. Person 2 attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.
rubber match? he's a useless poster who hasn't said anything intelligent in his life let alone of the forum.
BJ Penn could have been the LW GOAT
BJ Penn is the LW GOAT, he just needed to apply himself more
i can't possibly stress this enough.
i think i need to show even more people this, because it's fucking hysterical. that line in particular was classic.
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I seriously wonder if you try and look like a fool or if its just natural. Criticisms of Fedor were the exact same before and after the 3 losses. The 3 losses provided some credence to the argument for those on that side of it, it didn't create a new point of view. Providing backing for an argument isn't the same as creating a completely new argument. Before those losses people said he was overrated and fighting cans and padding his record in Japan. After the 3 losses, it was the exact same argument, only this time with more backing behind this theory.
even if we were pretending that the 3 losses didn't heavily accentuate the opinion that he was fighting cans the whole time, the original point was that fighters' legacies are ruined when they stick around too long, initially referring to Gomi (which is true, anyway.) first you said it didn't stop anyone from calling certain fighters GOAT's in their respective divisions (also incredibly wrong), then i told you it did and your response was "that's what i said."
then you backpedaled for the umpteenth time and said, "oh well, you CAN ruin your legacy, but there's a limit to how many times you can lose!" establishing your inevitable flip-flop on THAT argument too.
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I stopped replying because you strawman every argument. The mere fact you have no idea what this is or what is meant by it is hilarious. I'll use wiki to show you, maybe you'll learn something.
you do realize that i used the phrase "strawman argument" before you did in that particular argument, right?
"you sure like to strawman the hell out of any argument don't you. This is pointless, you're not arguing about what i'm saying. You're off in your own fantasy world, its pathetic."
where are you getting this idea that i don't know what it means? not only did i use the phrase BEFORE you did, i didn't even reply to that particular post after. what the fuck?
another devastating fail by the MMA Elitist. glad to see you dropped the whole BJ Penn/Gomi/Edgar/ and ESPECIALLY Aoki thing altogether though. it's almost like admitting you were wrong, but your internet ego won't allow you to actually say it. no problem, it's just as good.
Aoki arguably the LW GOAT. i was almost in tears. almost.
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