By the way fella, United fans aren't much better with there Hillsborough, Istanbul and Foe shite. Two wrongs...
Oh I'm not denying that, you'd have to be blind or just biased to be a United fan and try to defend some of the cretins in our support. I remember the FA Youth Cup (slowly becoming popular aways now with hardcore United fans) away game at Anfield in March 2011, was a cracking game with 600 United there and a good atmosphere, but 10 cunts at the back tried to start a hillsbrough song every 10 minutes and did an embarassing 'crush conga' down the stairs at halftime. Surprised they didn't get a twatting from within their own support with how pissed off most United fans were getting.
Also for the record, I've lived 50 minutes outside of Manchester the entire time I've supported Man Utd, and then FC Utd. To a degree I share your view about it being weird that certain people can claim to support one club, but then confess to be avid fans of maybe 8 other clubs, but being an out of towner I've always felt like Ian Brown says, 'its not where you're from, but where you're at'. I was brought up a United fan through family connections, although if circumstances were different I could easily have ended up a fan of another club. Since the day I've become a United supporter however, its always been about them and no-one else (and hell even my support for FC grew out of growing disillusion with how Man Utd had developed, if anything FC Utd are what I always wanted Man Utd to be, a callback to the club in the 70s and 80s if you will).
this FC manchester stuff intrigues me
what leagues do they play in?
They play in the Northern Premier League Division, also known as the Evo-Stik League. Its the 7th Level of English football, so basically Premier League-Championship-League 1-League 2-Conference-Conference North-FCUM league.
They're made up primarily of Man Utd fans who left after the Glazer takeover, though you'd be naive to think it was solely the takeover that forced them out. Truth be told ever since the mid to late 90s with United winning regular premier leagues and eventually the champions league, the strength in the 'brand' (eurggggggggh) was growing and United slowly began raising prices and cashing in on their growing worldwide popularity. A lot of local and non-local (but longtime following) fans weren't blind to realising that prices were only going to increase, and that United prioritising family and corporate exec fans would slowly see the club lose their identity, for the sake of becoming a worldwide brand and making a shitload of money. Glazer borrowing nearly £600m to buy us and then lumping us with the debt was the straw that broke the camel's back. Everyone knew the fans would have to pay to reducing the debt, and prices shot up year after year (though they've finally frozen them the last 2 seasons) and more time was spent in merchandise and sponsorships to try and minimise the debt and continue to make a profit.
FCUM is against modern football as a whole, e.g Sky dictating where and when games are played, with little regard for supporters and the inconvinience that re-arranged travelling can impact upon them, prices rising year on year, the sweeping commercialism and corporate nature that has transcended the game: music after goals, attempts by the club to monopolise the support and create their own 'desired atmosphere' etc.
With FC though, its not about promotion and relegation, everyday we continue to exist and survive after being written off as being dead by Christmas of 2005 is an accomplishment in of itself. FC fans don't jeer the team off because we're mid table, or call for Karl Marginson to be sacked when we look to be a clear average team, its about supporting the team at all costs and just having fun at football, singing, getting drunk, banter etc. Instead of trying to psycho analyse and rely on statistics to justify a starting 11, FC fans just fucking have a laugh. We're not arsed that we'll never likely reach the premier league, or reach the champions league. There's more to football than what Sky would like us to believe, the amount of Championship clubs who's fans will sell out their entire history if they think they'll reach the premier league from it astound me: case in point Cardiff City abandoning their famous blue jersey for a red kit because their new investors believe it will become a strong brand and make them money they can spend on players. Its sickening how a club can basically have their history raped in a decision, and fans thinking playing Man Utd twice a season will all be worth it.
stop hating on stoke guys
ive always liked them. britiannia is indeed where miracles happen, they have their style and they stick to it, and people get super butthurt when they play them
its all good
I have no issue with their style of play, it does always irk me when you get 'football purists' moaning about Stoke's tactics. Every team should play their own brand of football which represents their strengths as a team.
Their fans however are another story, the self-righteous ego of some of their support who brag about being primarily a local support, but quick to forget some of their downright embarassing attendances back in the Championship days compared to today have always made me laugh at them. Plus I hate the media hype about the Britannia atmosphere, Stoke are no different to most supports in that when they sing they're fucking loud as anything, but in between the songs there's long periods of silence which the media conviniently ignore. Its like how the media always talk about Anfield being a cauldron of noise....yet unless its United, possibly Chelsea, sometimes Everton and then a few big European games its as dead as any other ground when they play Fulham, West Brom or some other lower level team where the rivarly/hatred is non existant.
United fans are the worst, but they will never admit it. Every Stoke clip on youtube is flooded with 13 year old Man utd fans thinking its the 80s chatting shit how "we never turn up" and all that bollocks. I haven't seen a group of Stokes "firm" since like 2001 against Birmingham. The obsession is with them.
As I said above, some of our fans are absolute cretins and are a growing embarassment (hell its why I frequently attend FC games these days), I always wanted to remain a United away goer even when my displeasure for the way we were run and who we catered towards was at its worst, but the last couple of seasons the tits have infiltrated our away support after hearing all the buzz about United's away following being the best in the country, and our support has gradually gone downhill to the point where Carling Cup and FA Cup aways are far better these days in terms of demonstrating our support compared to a domestic away.
Stoke fans are equally as bad though, the amount of them who make it an issue of supporting your local team, yet never do I expect anyone from outside of Stoke to ever get hassled by Stoke fans about not being from Stoke, as well as the incessant preaching about their hometown support just make my pity some of them in your support. Not saying you are one of these folk, but idiots of this nature are frequent in every support.