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Old 11-25-2012, 01:01 AM   #651 (permalink)
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Except he has good numbers against all FBS teams to back it up.
Whoop-dee-do. Out of 124 FBS teams, Notre Dame has faced the following teams and their total offensive rankings:
Navy - 72nd
Purdue - 79th
Michigan State - 97th
Michigan - 70th
Miami - 52nd
Stanford - 87th
BYU - 69th
Oklahoma - 35th
Pittsburgh - 92nd
Boston College - 100th
Wake Forest - 120th
USC - 30th

Give this excellent player a pat on the back and the Bednarik award, but don't go touting his performances against nobodies like he was facing a gauntlet every week.

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I won't argue Manziel didn't deserve it... he has the numbers. But I'd put Teo right up there and his contributions to his team are much more impactful this season.
Unfortunately for T'eo, the Heisman Trophy isn't awarded to the best player on the (supposed) best team in the country. It's awarded to the best player.

And this season, it's Manziel.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:11 AM   #652 (permalink)
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I absolutely understand ppl saying Manziel shouldn't get it because how on earth did we come to this were a QB who threw 0 TD's in his teams 2 losses could be considered best player in the country?

Also understand argument against Te'o considering there is 2 LBs out there (both in B10) who's numbers match up just as well with his..
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:59 AM   #653 (permalink)
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Whoop-dee-do. Out of 124 FBS teams, Notre Dame has faced the following teams and their total offensive rankings:
Navy - 72nd
Purdue - 79th
Michigan State - 97th
Michigan - 70th
Miami - 52nd
Stanford - 87th
BYU - 69th
Oklahoma - 35th
Pittsburgh - 92nd
Boston College - 100th
Wake Forest - 120th
USC - 30th

Give this excellent player a pat on the back and the Bednarik award, but don't go touting his performances against nobodies like he was facing a gauntlet every week.


Unfortunately for T'eo, the Heisman Trophy isn't awarded to the best player on the (supposed) best team in the country. It's awarded to the best player.

And this season, it's Manziel.
So... we gonna tout the SEC's schedule then? I mean... the top 3 teams might be decent, but most of that conference is a joke and then add in FCS cupcakes... yeah... play that game and suddenly the SEC players don't look as impressive either.

As for best player... I'd argue Teo is better. Offenisve players have it easier to look better since they are guarenteed touches when defensive players are not. There impact is less about the pure raw numbers involved with attacking the ball, but how they effect the game. You start looking at pressuring the pass and recievers, rushing the offense into mistakes, making them play away from you, and such less tangible impacts like that and suddenly Teo is looking really really good. He has great numbers for a linebracker, but you start bringing in those intangibles and see his team undefeated because of HIS defense... yeah, if he wins there is no real controversy.

And that's my point.. you can make a case for either Manziel and Teo... the real clincher is one guys team's undefeated record is primarily because of his play. That, to me, knocks it to Teo's favour.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:13 AM   #654 (permalink)
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What would it take for OSU to win the AP Poll this year?
Georgia winning it all..Nobody will ever forget that 35-7 beatdown..Well, Spurrier & the AP won't lol
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:21 AM   #655 (permalink)
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So... we gonna tout the SEC's schedule then? I mean... the top 3 teams might be decent, but most of that conference is a joke and then add in FCS cupcakes... yeah... play that game and suddenly the SEC players don't look as impressive either.
Without going all Pete Wells-to-Guy Fieri on this tidbit (and trust me, I could), I'll just say that Manziel has played three of the top 10 defenses in the country and leave it at that in hopes that you don't even try to reply for your arguments sake. The SEC scheduling has nothing to do with the rankings of total offense/total defense, so just do yourself a favor and stop.

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As for best player... I'd argue Teo is better. Offenisve players have it easier to look better since they are guarenteed touches when defensive players are not. There impact is less about the pure raw numbers involved with attacking the ball, but how they effect the game. You start looking at pressuring the pass and recievers, rushing the offense into mistakes, making them play away from you, and such less tangible impacts like that and suddenly Teo is looking really really good.
So you begin to tout the fact that Notre Dame is undefeated as a reason, then drop it, and all of a sudden it's about "how he impacts the game and his intangibles". Okay. I'd argue that Mathieu had been one of the most feared defensive playmakers in quite some time last year too, and he wouldn't have been considered as seriously as he was had he not played special teams. Charles Woodson beat out Peyton because he played ST and a little bit of WR. T'eo is a linebacker who has played shit offensive teams this season. I can't wait until Bama makes him look like a bitch.

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He has great numbers for a linebracker, but you start bringing in those intangibles and see his team undefeated because of HIS defense... yeah, if he wins there is no real controversy.
Linebacker numbers can be inflated due to their proximity to the football. Having a shit ton of tackles and whatnot can be easily inflated. A tackle for a 1 yard gain is going down in the same category as a tackle for a 40 yard gain. If defensive statistics meant anything, Derrick Johnson would've won the Heisman sometime when he was at Texas. Also, Tryann Mathieu, a corner, had more Tackles for Loss last season than Teo, a linebacker did this year. LMAO.

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And that's my point.. you can make a case for either Manziel and Teo... the real clincher is one guys team's undefeated record is primarily because of his play. That, to me, knocks it to Teo's favour.
LOL. You can "make a case" for any player being considered.

So should Colt Brennan have won the Heisman in 2007 over Tebow with the "clincher" being that his team was undefeated and Tebow's was not? Please reason this...

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Old 11-25-2012, 10:41 AM   #656 (permalink)
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Guys you're all being stupid. It's going to Collin Klein... i hope
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:02 AM   #657 (permalink)
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The Heisman should go to the best player, not the best player on the best team. My vote would be for Klein.

I think Kiffin will be back another year, they'll give Lane a chance to make things right. Chizik is gone at Auburn, though, especially with possible sanctions from the Cam Newton era coming. Apparently, Auburn inserted a clause that could mean they can him without having to pay him a dime.

As an Iowa fan, I'll give Ferentz one more year to right the ship. He had a young team, but they need to make some major changes on the coaching staff. If in the same spot next season, fire him.

As for the NC, I'm tired of the SEC winning everything, but no way in hell am I going to root for Notre Dame. If Notre Dame was playing a band of space aliens with the survival of the human race dependent on the Irish winning, I'm cheering for extinction.
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:19 AM   #658 (permalink)
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Ferentz ain't going anywhere. All that money owed until 2020 will fuck Iowa over if he doesn't get his shit together.
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My vote is for Colin KAEPERNICK Klein
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How is Klein better than Manziel? Klein plays in a weaker defensive conference.

Unless everyone is trolling like PP is.
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