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**MrMister** · 11-24-2012, 10:51 PM

I'd vote for Manziel.

Kabraxal · 11-24-2012, 10:52 PM

Teo... without him that D isn't going to be this elite and thus the Irish would not be undefeated. So he has the leadership, the numbers, and just the fact his team is undefeated. Manziel is scary though in the future.

Perfect Poster · 11-24-2012, 10:54 PM

COLLIN KLEIN

HeatWave · 11-24-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by El Conquistador

Manti or Johnny Football for Heisman, fellas'?

I'm taking Marqise Lee personally since I do believe he's the best player in the country, but to play along and choose between specifically those two, Manziel

**Glass Shatters** · 11-24-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kabraxal

So he has the leadership, the numbers, and just the fact his team is undefeated.

Too bad that has absolutely nothing to do with being the best player in the country. Tebow won it as a sophomore leading a 4 (3 at the time of the award) loss Florida team and Griffin just last year leading a 3 loss Baylor team.

As far as numbers go, if Mathieu didn't win it last year, then T'eo shouldn't win it this year. The talent pool this year compared to last year is a little down, but even then T'eo is not the best player in the country I don't think.

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Manziel is scary though in the future.

Manziel is scary right now. If he were a Sophomore or a Junior, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

Dice Darwin · 11-24-2012, 11:46 PM

Teo. I'm sick of the offensive bias. Want to see a defensive player win it.

Kabraxal · 11-24-2012, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Glass Shatters

Too bad that has absolutely nothing to do with being the best player in the country. Tebow won it as a sophomore leading a 4 (3 at the time of the award) loss Florida team and Griffin just last year leading a 3 loss Baylor team.

As far as numbers go, if Mathieu didn't win it last year, then T'eo shouldn't win it this year. The talent pool last year compared to this year is a little down, but even then T'eo is not the best player in the country I don't think.

Manziel is scary right now. If he were a Sophomore or a Junior, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

Except he has good numbers against all FBS teams to back it up. I won't argue Manziel didn't deserve it... he has the numbers. But I'd put Teo right up there and his contributions to his team are much more impactful this season.

**Haystacks Calhoun** · 11-24-2012, 11:52 PM

What would it take for OSU to win the AP Poll this year?

**MrMister** · 11-24-2012, 11:58 PM

Manziel has 4600 yards on the season surpassing Newton's incredible year. I'm cool with a defender getting the trophy but not when an offensive player has a season like this.

Sorry Stacks but it seems impossible. Buckeyes won't be playing a bowl game. Still highly amused that Ohio St is ineligible and they go undefeated for the first time since 2002 (when they won the BCS title). Obviously they'd be playing in the Big10 title game and if they won, they'd be the ones playing ND.

**Glass Shatters** · 11-25-2012, 12:01 AM

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Except he has good numbers against all FBS teams to back it up.

Whoop-dee-do. Out of 124 FBS teams, Notre Dame has faced the following teams and their total offensive rankings:
Navy - 72nd
Purdue - 79th
Michigan State - 97th
Michigan - 70th
Miami - 52nd
Stanford - 87th
BYU - 69th
Oklahoma - 35th
Pittsburgh - 92nd
Boston College - 100th
Wake Forest - 120th
USC - 30th

Give this excellent player a pat on the back and the Bednarik award, but don't go touting his performances against nobodies like he was facing a gauntlet every week.

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I won't argue Manziel didn't deserve it... he has the numbers. But I'd put Teo right up there and his contributions to his team are much more impactful this season.

Unfortunately for T'eo, the Heisman Trophy isn't awarded to the best player on the (supposed) best team in the country. It's awarded to the best player.

And this season, it's Manziel.