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Old 11-17-2012, 06:02 AM   #471 (permalink)
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:51 AM   #472 (permalink)
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Oh man Miss St and Ole Miss replacing Arkansas and Auburn. Probably not happening.
I didn't say they were replacing them as SEC powers. In fact, I claimed that they were the reason that the level of play in the SEC was down because they are two decent, up and coming programs replacing two teams that, in the past 3 years, have a national title and the other a top 5 finish.

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Let's just leave it at if these SEC teams dominate the Bowl season, I'll be wrong. I can't keep repeating myself why the SEC is overrated this season.
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Just remember, a year ago A&M was a middle of the pack B12 team with a top 10 NFL draft QB...If that doesn't tell you SEC is down, don't know what will
A year ago, TAMU was coached by Mike Sherman, who has done exactly dick since his days in Green Bay. He then goes on to draft Tannehill at Miami, who is quite possibly the worst NFL rookie quarterback I've ever seen. When he was drafted, most people went "WHAT THE FUCK?". The guy is Alex Smith-rookie-season-bad every week with actual playmakers around him.

Good SEC teams losing to bad, inferior, or "average" SEC teams is nothing new. People forget that LSU lost to a "middle of the pack" Arkansas and Kentucky team in 2007 enroute to a National Title. Florida lost to an "average" Ole Miss team in 2008. Alabama was taken to the brink against a "middle of the pack" Auburn team in 2009. Georgia, South Carolina, and Alabama did the same to Auburn in 2010.

I think people's perceptions are down because the SEC, unlike past years, lacks a dominant team and has a lot more parity spread out over more teams.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:50 AM   #473 (permalink)
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I didn't say they were replacing them as SEC powers. In fact, I claimed that they were the reason that the level of play in the SEC was down because they are two decent, up and coming programs replacing two teams that, in the past 3 years, have a national title and the other a top 5 finish.
I didn't say they were replacing them I said they were replacing them. WTF


Wait Tannehill has playmakers in Miami? No he doesn't. Hartline, Bess, Bush, Thomas...don't even know anyone else. These aren't world beaters here. I definitely don't see what others see in Tannehill though. Average at best. The thing is he hasn't played at QB very long so I guess some people hope a light will click on at some point.

As for A&M, the difference is pretty much Manziel. He's that crazy good of a playmaker. He turns a below average team into an average one that can rise up and upset some really good teams. One crazy good player at QB can turn morale around fast.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:04 PM   #474 (permalink)
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I didn't say they were replacing them I said they were replacing them. WTF
Jay Fiedler replaced Dan Marino. Fiedler doesn't have the prestige of Marino, never the less he replaced him as Miami's starting quarterback. Auburn and Arkansas are programs on a downturn; they are replaced by two programs on an upswing.

This is not a difficult concept.

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Wait Tannehill has playmakers in Miami? No he doesn't. Hartline, Bess, Bush, Thomas...don't even know anyone else. These aren't world beaters here. I definitely don't see what others see in Tannehill though. Average at best. The thing is he hasn't played at QB very long so I guess some people hope a light will click on at some point.
When I said "has playmakers" I was referring more towards the lack of playmakers Smith had compared to Tannehill during that disastrous 2005 rookie season. I should have clarified.

Tannehill is garbage and will not get any better than a bottom half of the league-tier quarterback. Joey Harrington v. 2.0.

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As for A&M, the difference is pretty much Manziel. He's that crazy good of a playmaker. He turns a below average team into an average one that can rise up and upset some really good teams. One crazy good player at QB can turn morale around fast.
So it has nothing to do with Sumlin, a wildly successful coach everywhere he's been? Or is it maybe a little bit of both Sumlin's offensive scheming combined with an out of nowhere talent that can turn broken plays into Sports Center highlights?
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Right so there's a dropoff from Fiedler to Marino. The Dolphins are worse just like the SEC is worse now. If they're worse but get the same acclaim, they're overrated.


Yep, Sumlin is definitely a large part in them being a better football team. If he doesn't have Manziel though, they don't beat Alabama.
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Tannehill is better than being given credit for..He's doing a heck of a job in Miami despite lack of help around him..

Yeah Manziel has given A&M a spark, but at the end of the day, A&M is STILL a terrible defensive team..Just hard to notice when they face bad offenses like LSU & Florida..Still, no way A&M would be a top 12 team if still in B12
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Tannehill is also facing vastly superior defenses. I don't think he'll be good, but you never know.

And I totally forgot Ohio St has no post season this year. No wonder I haven't heard anything about them. They're undefeated. I'm not sure them being undefeated matters though. B10 is meh. However if they were eligible this season, they'd be top 3, probably number 1 and they'd be...overrated.
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They'd be 4th..Maybe..I mean Brad Edwards a week or 2 ago said OSU would be 6th in BCS if elgible at that point
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Right so there's a dropoff from Fiedler to Marino. The Dolphins are worse just like the SEC is worse now. If they're worse but get the same acclaim, they're overrated.
You can't say that. A&M may very well become a top 5 team by the end of the season, replacing Arkansas with the exact same prestige in their first season in conference. Ole Miss has a bright, young football mind in Hugh Freeze that turned Ole Miss around this season. They are a win away from matching the combined win total from both the 2010 and 2011 seasons.

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Yep, Sumlin is definitely a large part in them being a better football team. If he doesn't have Manziel though, they don't beat Alabama.
Nope, but that's not what this is about. If Sumlin isn't there, I don't think Manziel is as successful either. It's one of those Ditka/Ryan situations where they're both better together than they are individually apart.

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Tannehill is better than being given credit for..He's doing a heck of a job in Miami despite lack of help around him..

Yeah Manziel has given A&M a spark, but at the end of the day, A&M is STILL a terrible defensive team..Just hard to notice when they face bad offenses like LSU & Florida..Still, no way A&M would be a top 12 team if still in B12
That remains to be seen. Judging from what we've been given from him so far, he's absolutely terrible. Defenses have swamped the easy throws and Tannehill just can't overcome that. He needs the 4 yard passes that turn into 8 yard gains. He's completely incapable of making accurate throws at any distance consistently at this point.
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UCLA killing USC right now.
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