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Old 11-16-2012, 03:18 PM   #461 (permalink)
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OK if you think LA Tech and Ole Miss are good we'll just end this now.

Maybe you're thinking since I'm saying they're overrated I think they suck.

As for what makes me think A&M is average...I've watched them. Amazing QB...and everything else is meh. Fortunately for them, that QB will get them some nice recruits.


I've been a pretty big positive voice for the SEC for quite a few years. It's just obvious to me that they're not as great as they have been in years past. They can still win the national title though. It's not like everyone else is rising that much.

I like K State and maybe Oregon against Bama. That's it. Last year I'd only give LSU a chance in hell. Actually thought LSU could beat them. No one else was close though.
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Old 11-16-2012, 04:00 PM   #462 (permalink)
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OK if you think LA Tech and Ole Miss are good we'll just end this now.
Where did I say anything that would even indicate such a thing? I simply stated that LT is currently ranked #19 and that Ole Miss is resurgent. I mentioned them asking you HOW A&M is overrated, which you have yet to explain. Weird.

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Maybe you're thinking since I'm saying they're overrated I think they suck.

As for what makes me think A&M is average...I've watched them. Amazing QB...and everything else is meh. Fortunately for them, that QB will get them some nice recruits.
Ah, okay. They have a good quarterback and beat a plethora of ranked teams, but they are overrated because you watch them and don't think they are that good. How are they overrated?

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I've been a pretty big positive voice for the SEC for quite a few years. It's just obvious to me that they're not as great as they have been in years past. They can still win the national title though. It's not like everyone else is rising that much.
Not as great based on what? There are more top ranked SEC teams right now than there ever were. People chide Alabama for losing to A&M, but to be honest, I'd give Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Georgia either Notre Dame's, Kansas State's, or Oregon's schedule and expect an undefeated season. Would you disagree?

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I like K State and maybe Oregon against Bama. That's it. Last year I'd only give LSU a chance in hell. Actually thought LSU could beat them. No one else was close though.
If Alabama played KSU's schedule, we'd be talking Alabama up as the greatest college football team in the history of college football like people were talking about USC in 2005. It's just not possible to go from wire to wire in the SEC without a trip up causing a loss or a close game to an inferior team.

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Old 11-16-2012, 04:43 PM   #463 (permalink)
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I've watched almost every Texas A&M game. They're not a top 10 team unless Manziel plays lights out. Where are you missing this? Rankings are all subjective and in my opinion A&M isn't a top 10 team. Therefore they're overrated. This can't be this hard to understand.

Not as great as previous SEC level of play. Alabama and maybe LSU (based on reputation) could rule the Big12 and Pac12 yeah. You did make a good point that Alabama ran a pretty nasty gauntlet with LSU, Miss St, and A&M. Don't think Florida and Georgia are that good despite Florida beating LSU.

The fact there are more top 10 SEC teams now than ever points to the conference being overrated this season. It's had better teams in the past. We can only compare teams to other teams this year though of course. These teams are here based more on reputation than level of play. That's not untrue with a lot of teams though. Big10 had an unjust reputation for years. Even my Texas Longhorns get ranked due to reputation. I think Texas is overrated where they are. Until they can tackle consistently, they aren't a top 25 team in my eyes.

Really though, it doesn't even matter who is ranked where outside the top 5 or so. Teams play to win their conference title and to go for the national championship. Four or five teams are in this discussion at this point.

I would agree that no other conference is still as good as the SEC right now. Again though, this is based more on reputation than anything else.
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I've watched almost every Texas A&M game. They're not a top 10 team unless Manziel plays lights out. Where are you missing this? Rankings are all subjective and in my opinion A&M isn't a top 10 team. Therefore they're overrated. This can't be this hard to understand.
To this point, you have offered nothing of any type of substance declaring why you think A&M is not a top 10 team and are overrated. I'm not missing anything. Saying that "I watch them and it's my opinion so it is what it is.", is not explaining why you think the way you do. The only thing you've offered is a high opinion on Manziel that seems to slight the rest of the team that Manziel is a part of. Guess what? If you take Cam Newton off of the 2010 Auburn team, they're not Champions. Having a good player on your team cannot be used as an explanation of supposed "overrated" opinions. They're better with Manziel than without him. That's the only point you have and no one is going to argue with you there.

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Not as great as previous SEC level of play.
I think that with the addition of A&M the level of play has remained stagnant, if not worse from last year. I can agree with you here somewhat. Arkansas and Auburn being so bad after being so good has been replaced by a pretty good TAMU team and a resurgent Mississippi State.

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The fact there are more top 10 SEC teams now than ever points to the conference being overrated this season. It's had better teams in the past.
And if they finish with 6 of the top 12 teams in the country being SEC teams, what then?

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We can only compare teams to other teams this year though of course. These teams are here based more on reputation than level of play.
What teams do you think should take the place of any in place SEC ranked team right now? Looking past South Carolina at #12, which teams should jump up and overtake them if they're so overrated?
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SEC IS down this year, but it's hard to notice when the B10 is down this year and the B12 is down as well.. Florida, Georgia, LSU, A&M & South Carolina are mediocre teams who are benefiting from how down those conferences are more than anyone
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:16 PM   #466 (permalink)
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A&M has a mediocre offensive line. Outside of Manziel, the skilled positions are meh. I like Swope ok. Their defense is improved though. Or are they just more suited to play against SEC offenses? Probably a bit of both. I'm gonna give them credit and say they're improved. That was a spirited performance by them against Bama. Because of a lack of a solid team around Manziel, I wouldn't say they can definitely defeat most teams ranked behind them. The same goes for most SEC teams ranked in the top 10.

The other three major conferences are down too, so I don't really care who is ranked after 4. If Georgia winds up in the SEC title and beats Alabama, I'll be impressed, but I don't see this happening. I didn't see the Aggies beating Bama, so anything can happen of course.

If 6 of the top 12 teams are SEC at the end of the year, it's mainly because everyone else didn't rise up. The SEC has fallen closer to the pack, but they're still the best conference in the nation. When I say the conference is overrated it's that they're there based on reputation more than anything.


edit: Maybe some of where I'm coming from is the fact Auburn and Arkansas are so BAD. These are terrible football teams. They used to be able to at least give teams a good game. They were legitimate threats. Now they just get steamrolled by just about anyone.
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Arkansas started the year in the top 10 by the way..
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:16 PM   #468 (permalink)
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A&M has a mediocre offensive line. Outside of Manziel, the skilled positions are meh. I like Swope ok. Their defense is improved though. Or are they just more suited to play against SEC offenses? Probably a bit of both. I'm gonna give them credit and say they're improved. That was a spirited performance by them against Bama. Because of a lack of a solid team around Manziel, I wouldn't say they can definitely defeat most teams ranked behind them. The same goes for most SEC teams ranked in the top 10.
But who behind them should be ranked over them? Nobody is saying A&M is a national championship caliber team this season. They are, however, a damn good team worthy of their current ranking based on their accomplishments thus far. Saying that someone ranked behind them could beat them is not the same as saying that they're overrated which you originally claimed.

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If 6 of the top 12 teams are SEC at the end of the year, it's mainly because everyone else didn't rise up. The SEC has fallen closer to the pack, but they're still the best conference in the nation. When I say the conference is overrated it's that they're there based on reputation more than anything.
Ah. So it's everyone else's fault that the level of competition is so great in the SEC that one in-conference slip up can ruin a team's title hopes, causing a plethora of SEC teams to clutter the top of the polls.

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edit: Maybe some of where I'm coming from is the fact Auburn and Arkansas are so BAD. These are terrible football teams. They used to be able to at least give teams a good game. They were legitimate threats. Now they just get steamrolled by just about anyone.
I addressed this in my previous post.

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I think that with the addition of A&M the level of play has remained stagnant, if not worse from last year. I can agree with you here somewhat. Arkansas and Auburn being so bad after being so good has been replaced by a pretty good TAMU team and a resurgent Mississippi State.
Ole Miss is up and coming, too.
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Oh man Miss St and Ole Miss replacing Arkansas and Auburn. Probably not happening.

Let's just leave it at if these SEC teams dominate the Bowl season, I'll be wrong. I can't keep repeating myself why the SEC is overrated this season.
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:14 AM   #470 (permalink)
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Just remember, a year ago A&M was a middle of the pack B12 team with a top 10 NFL draft QB...If that doesn't tell you SEC is down, don't know what will
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