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NFL Thread: RAVENS SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS

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Preseason cranks up tomorrow and that means we're less than a month from games that count.

This is the best time of year.
 
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re: NFL Thread: Week 13 - STEELERS FANS ASSEMBLE

so you're telling me they didn't have a good defense or respectable runningbacks when he took over? And how the fuck is 6-10 even comparable to 2-14? You realize there's a huge difference in 4 wins, right? I think it's time for you to go if you're actually saying that Big Ben took over a team that was as the Colts were. :bosh
 
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so you're telling me they didn't have a good defense or respectable runningbacks when he took over? And how the fuck is 6-10 even comparable to 2-14? You realize there's a huge difference in 4 wins, right? I think it's time for you to go if you're actually saying that Big Ben took over a team that was as the Colts were. :bosh
Wut? They were suppose to be rebuilding. They were suppose to be worse than the year prior that year. You realize they won 15 games right? 15 GAMES! With a QB that was suppose to be 3rd string. There's also a big difference between at best 12 wins and 15 wins. I don't care which team was suppose to be worse. What he did is miraculous. I don't really care who is "better". Ben can keep winning and you guys can keep listing QBs you think are better. Doesn't much matter.
 
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Statistically he was bad and statistically I assume the worst numbers for a superbowl winning QB but he did make two plays which the win completely depended on. 3rd and 28 and the ankle tackle after THE BUS fumbled.
 
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It's not hard to list QBs that are better than Big Ben because there are plenty. Superbowls are a team accomplishment more than a individuals accomplishment. So are wins, but Luck is the reason we're winning and there's absolutely no doubt about it because we're still pretty bad all across the board.
 
#4,500 ·
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Ya they would have lost that game if that tackle didn't happen.

You can list all the QBs you want UDFK and I'll probably disagree with a certain number of them and a certain number will probably you being a fool. OH WELL.
 
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Not really. I will disagree because I think you're wrong. People hate on him for stupid reasons. The guy was having an MVP caliber season this year but he's still meh to a lot of people. I really don't care. I can name NFL QBs better than him. There's really not many I'd rather have though. For a number of reasons.

Go ahead and list them though.
 
#4,505 ·
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Not really. I will disagree because I think you're wrong. People hate on him for stupid reasons. The guy was having an MVP caliber season this year but he's still meh to a lot of people. I really don't care. I can name NFL QBs better than him. There's really not many I'd rather have though. For a number of reasons.

Go ahead and list them though.
And you like him more than other people because you're a fan of his because he plays for YOUR team. If you honestly don't think you have a bias like normal people do for their teams/players then you really are a moron. There is a reason after all that he's meh to a lot of people even though the Steelers are usually successful and he's already won two Superbowls.
 
#4,506 ·
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I'm pretty sure I have no problem making my thoughts on any player known regardless of who they play for.

Just make your list UDFK. I don't think anyone here is saying he's the best in the league.
 
#4,507 ·
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I'll go ahead and say what we are all thinking, Andrew Luck will be a top 5 QB in the league next year.
 
#4,517 ·
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My list is basically the same as Notorious' except I think he's on par with Eli. There are the elite and then subelite guys like Eli/Ben who step up when their teams need it most and play at an elite level.
If you're saying that Ben is the 5th best QB in the league then why are we even arguing about this...
 
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Who's spot does he take?

I'm pretty sure the consensus top 5 right now is in any order: Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Peyton, Eli.

Btw, I'm not too sure about Luck making a jump into top 5 next year. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. He's not even the best QB from his draft class, at least not the consensus one.
 
#4,511 ·
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LUCK? LOL

He can't touch CAM in terms of rookie RAPE ability.
yeah all those failed wins really meant a lot, almost as much as they mean this year. Cam doesn't compare to Luck and there is a reason Luck would have been drafted ahead of Cam in the 2011 draft as well, even you wanted Luck.

Who's spot does he take?

I'm pretty sure the consensus top 5 right now is in any order: Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Peyton, Eli.

Btw, I'm not too sure about Luck making a jump into top 5 next year. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. He's not even the best QB from his draft class, at least not the consensus one.
He plays like a pro and has the posture of one. Anything could happen next year, hell Eli has already played like shit this season so there's no reason to think he could easily fall out of his spot if he doesn't do well in the playoffs again.
 
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