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Old 09-06-2012, 11:55 AM   #971 (permalink)
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Explain how Eli is better than Romo. I'd like to hear it. Again, I don't really care either way, but it's not like they are LIGHT YEARS apart.

Mainly people here are saying it's a terrible argument to use championships to equate greatness.
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:57 AM   #972 (permalink)
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As a whole I'd say Eli makes less fuck ups. When Romo is on though, he has better games than Eli. It's close certainly, I'd say Eli's average performance is better than Romo's average performance but I'm doing this with no research.
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:00 PM   #973 (permalink)
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Eli throws his share of INTs. Eli has fucked up plenty. It's just his fuck ups are excused because he rode the wave of a hot team (twice). Not saying he didn't contribute to both Super Bowls, he definitely did. He's also got a ton of luck on his side. Besides Giants fans, I'm certain I've seen him play more games than most here. Eli gets lucky a lot.

When he's got a hot hand, he's certainly dangerous. I think his best strength is that he is pretty hard to rattle.
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What do you really mean by gets lucky? INT throws that the defence drops? Guys making catches they shouldn't?
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Helmet catches, deep balls that are misplayed by defenders, eluding pressure he has no business escaping etc. You name it. He's a lucky fucker.

To compare, guys like Warner and Aikman and Brady...what they do and did was very much due to skill. They awed. You wondered how the fuck they put the ball where they did. Eli isn't like that. Often you wonder how the ball wasn't intercepted or he wasn't sacked.
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Eluding pressure isn't really luck as much as it is poor tackling on the D. Guys don't go for the lower body and instead go up high and QBs duck under or bounce off the other way all the time. Or you just have guys taking poor routes to the QB and end up missing the angles. I get to watch pretty much the best guy at escaping pressure/most unwilling to take a sack and he usually escapes for these reasons.

I'm not really sure Eli is anymore lucky than other guys, he could be. I think Eli is clutch (even though I hate this word coming up all the time) and certainly more clutch than a lot of QBs.
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Yeah that's luck. You don't have any control over how a guy tackles you. You're lucky if one pass rusher has you dead to rights then his teammate shows up out of the blue and knocks him away lol. You're lucky if he makes a mistake. Pretty simple. Same with pass defense. You're lucky if a guy's hand just barely misses batting the ball away on a deep ball. You're lucky if the defender is draped all over the receiver and your guy catches it on his helmet. You're lucky if you just throw it up for grabs and your guy comes down with it.

As far as escaping the pass rush, Big Ben is the opposite. He's legitimately very hard to bring down. When he escapes it's far more often because he's a strong man rather than the defender not using proper technique.

And yeah Eli is hard to rattle. It's hard to mind fuck him. That's why he performs so well late in games. It is clear he's not affected by pressure situations. This doesn't mean he hasn't lost his share of games late too. Everyone does. It's just that once a guy is deemed CLUTCH, we don't look at his failures anymore. I blame ESPN.
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Football is a team game, guys are suppose to show up and knock guys away.

Any play in football you could give a list of things that were lucky on that play and all it does is discount skill. I'm just not a fan of doing that. We could say every time Peyton throws into minuscule gaps he's lucky it didn't get picked/tipped/knocked down etc. I'd much rather just say he has a strong accurate arm capable of doing such things. Guys blow coverage all the time. Guys miss tackles.

I watch Ben all the time, if guys go for the legs he can't move and either goes down or does a desperation throw that should cost him more than it does (thankfully it doesn't). When you go above the waste he gets leverage and can push off and make things happen on the run outside the pocket.
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You misread or I wasn't clear. I said the teammate of the pass rusher knocks him away. That's NOT supposed to happen and you're lucky if it does.


Eli doesn't have the skill of Peyton or Brady or Warner. It's obvious if you've watched a lot of these QBs' games. Fitting a ball into tight spaces and just tossing it up hoping for the best are two different things. I'm not even talking about the Manningham throw last year. That was a great fucking throw. He hit Manningham down the sideline perfectly. I'm talking about underthrown deep balls. I'm talking about bad throws that wind up completed. That's luck.
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I was merely pointing out that things can be considered luck, doesn't matter which QB you're talking about. Not comparing anyone by any means.
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