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While not considered especially elusive...
They agree.

They're probably counting a broken tackle as a missed tackle, as in the defender made contact but didn't bring Morris down. It's not as surprising if this is the case.

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Yeah it boggles the mind, Morris doesn't pass the eye test as an elusive runner. Especially surprising is the stat with Foster, a guy who runs almost effortlessly, gliding like a gazelle. I also generally take some of PFF's numbers with a grain of salt since they can be horseshit at times. For example, they picked Devin McCourty as a Pro Bowl worthy CB for this season, when he had played lousy at CB (which I can attest to having watched every Pats game this season) and instead excelled when switching to FS.
Foster, from what I saw of him, went down with the slightest contact this season. I'm not sure if he's injured or what, but he's not the same RB we saw the last two seasons.

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They agree.

They're probably counting a broken tackle as a missed tackle, as in the defender made contact but didn't bring Morris down. It's not as surprising if this is the case.



Foster, from what I saw of him, went down with the slightest contact this season. I'm not sure if he's injured or what, but he's not the same RB we saw the last two seasons.
Re: Morris, Yeah that would make more sense. Fits into the north-south prototype. Watching him run reminds me of Antowain Smith, another north-south guy.

Re: Foster, True. He still has the shiftiness and speed, but not the durability. Edit - Also have to factor in Ben Tate's poor health, Houston's rushing attack is at its best when Foster carries most of the load and Tate relieves him. Justin Forsett was given a bigger role by proxy than Kubiak may have wanted.


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since I'm bored and a homer I might as well argue against the AP MVP case, since I just realized something. The major factor in the AD case is that he was the reason his team was winning and without him this team would likely be 3 or less win team. Well in the first 5 weeks the Vikings went 4-1, let's look at AP's stats in those 5 weeks.

Week 1: 84 yards/17 attempts/4.9 average/2 TDs. 26/23 Vikings win
Week 2: 60 yards/16 attempts/3.8 average/0 TD. 20/23 Vikings lose
Week 3: 86 yards/25 attempts/3.4 average/0 TD. 24/13 Vikings win
Week 4: 102 yards/21 attempts/4.9 average/0 TD. 20/13 Vikings win
Week 5: 88 yards/17 attempts/5.2. 30/7 Vikings win

also week 16: 86 yards/25 attempts/3.4 average/0 TD. 23/6 Vikings win.

Clearly he wasn't the only reason they were winning. 2

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And the Broncos were a playoff team already before Manning got there. It's not like that division was any good this year.



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Broncos 2011: 309 points scored.
Broncos 2012: 481 points scored.

Only one major piece was added to the Broncos offense.

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Who did the Vikings play in those early games? I will say that Harvin getting injured probably led to ALL DAY going ballistic in an indirect way. Take away a playmaker like Harvin and you have to feed the ball to your best guy. ALL DAY kinda rose to the occasion. Understatement.

OH MY GOD WE'RE LIKE SO CLOSE TO PLAYOFF FOOTBALL

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What does it matter who they played? The Vikings were winning games without AP being a beast was my point. If it matters none of the teams were impressive aside from the Niners who stopped AP pretty effectively and the Colts who beat the Vikings and made AP ineffective. DEM COLTS. the other teams were also rather poor in rush defense I believe(it was mostly AFC south teams).

And damn it mrmr you took away my next point. Ponder went to complete shit when he lost Percy and had no main threat in his receiving corps. He had had two bad weeks in the last three games before this, but in those games Percy didn't have a big game. When Percy was a big part of the offense the Vikings won, if anything PERCY SHOULD BE THE MVP.

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I'm just saying if they beat Jax and Det, big deal. I do think one of their early opponents was SF and they shockingly beat them. Minn's defense is probably underrated.

Losing Harvin actually helps AD's case I'm thinking. Teams could then sell out to stop Peterson, but they couldn't.

But there's also the WALSH factor

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Broncos 2011: 309 points scored.
Broncos 2012: 481 points scored.

Only one major piece was added to the Broncos offense.
And yet, they still made the playoffs and won the division last year as well. The Vikings, meanwhile, were virtually the same team as last year (aside from some rookies) and lost their other playmaker about midway in the season.

Really no reason Peterson shouldn't get it. Otherwise change the name of the award to Best QB because a season like Peterson has had should be recognized as such.



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do you not realize the HUGE difference that 5 wins is? 5 wins in football is huge. The broncos went from 8-8 to 13-3, they also went 6-0 in their division compared to 3-3 in their division last year.

you're right, Manning's so good that he just has MVP type seasons every year.

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