[MrMister]

Yes UDFK elusiveness is what makes a superior RB. That and vision. Those two traits make a good RB great. It's better to make tacklers miss than to drag/carry them.

Bullshit. I've done nothing but rave about Robert Griffin III all season. I rave about Lesean McCoy all the time. I've complimented Maclin. I've said good things about the Giants front four. In other words, you're wrong and Eli is fucking LUCKY.

Having Lynch has helped Wilson for sure. Not sure what other amazing talent he has though. It's hard to compare a QB and RB since the positions are quite different.


Also, Morris is a good RB. I've never said he SUCKED. He's just not the guy that Seattle needs to fear. That's all.

[GOON The Legend]

Seattle needs to fear the entire offense, especially now that RG3 will more than likely be without that big BRACE he's been wearing the last two weeks that has hampered him in both his running and passing game.

[MrMister]

Yeah Garcon and lesser Moss and those other spare WRs are just an extension of GRIFFIN. If he can run again, Seattle loses.


ARIAN FOSTER is tugging at my heartstrings.

[Telos]

Originally Posted by MrMister

Some people can compartmentalize UDFK. Sorry you can't.

It's all about elusiveness UDFK. Morris can't make people miss. Murray can. Murray is just as physical.

No clue what you mean about the RB version of Wilson, but that's not surprising since you rarely make sense.

FWIW I just read this on Rotoworld:

According to Pro Football Focus, Alfred Morris caused 57 missed tackles in the regular season.
That's third-most in the league behind only Adrian Peterson (64) and Marshawn Lynch (58). While not considered especially elusive, Morris' total is nearly double the 29 missed tackles Arian Foster caused. Morris continues his impressive rookie season on Sunday against the Seahawks' tenth-ranked run defense. Jan 5 - 12:23 PM
Source: Pro Football Focus

[MrMister]

That's rather shocking. I've never seen him exhibit the lateral movement of Peterson or Lynch or even McCoy or Rice. He's a north and south guy. I have wonder if they're counting broken tackles as missed tackles. It's fine if they are. Morris will break some tackles on ya.

I also read that Morris actually got stronger as the season went on. Piling up 200 yards on Dallas certainly helped his cause.

[Red Viper]

lolmrmr.

cheering for the Texans so we can get LUCK/MANNING.

[Telos]

Originally Posted by MrMister

That's rather shocking. I've never seen him exhibit the lateral movement of Peterson or Lynch or even McCoy or Rice. He's a north and south guy. I have wonder if they're counting broken tackles as missed tackles. It's fine if they are. Morris will break some tackles on ya.

I also read that Morris actually got stronger as the season went on. Piling up 200 yards on Dallas certainly helped his cause.

Yeah it boggles the mind, Morris doesn't pass the eye test as an elusive runner. Especially surprising is the stat with Foster, a guy who runs almost effortlessly, gliding like a gazelle. I also generally take some of PFF's numbers with a grain of salt since they can be horseshit at times. For example, they picked Devin McCourty as a Pro Bowl worthy CB for this season, when he had played lousy at CB (which I can attest to having watched every Pats game this season) and instead excelled when switching to FS.

[Perfect Poster]

Bengals
Packers
Ravens
Seahawks

First and last game are a toss-up. Not really concerned about Minny or Indy pulling off the upset.

[MrMister]

While not considered especially elusive...

They agree.

They're probably counting a broken tackle as a missed tackle, as in the defender made contact but didn't bring Morris down. It's not as surprising if this is the case.

Originally Posted by Telos

Yeah it boggles the mind, Morris doesn't pass the eye test as an elusive runner. Especially surprising is the stat with Foster, a guy who runs almost effortlessly, gliding like a gazelle. I also generally take some of PFF's numbers with a grain of salt since they can be horseshit at times. For example, they picked Devin McCourty as a Pro Bowl worthy CB for this season, when he had played lousy at CB (which I can attest to having watched every Pats game this season) and instead excelled when switching to FS.

Foster, from what I saw of him, went down with the slightest contact this season. I'm not sure if he's injured or what, but he's not the same RB we saw the last two seasons.

[Telos]

Originally Posted by MrMister

They agree.

They're probably counting a broken tackle as a missed tackle, as in the defender made contact but didn't bring Morris down. It's not as surprising if this is the case.



Foster, from what I saw of him, went down with the slightest contact this season. I'm not sure if he's injured or what, but he's not the same RB we saw the last two seasons.

Re: Morris, Yeah that would make more sense. Fits into the north-south prototype. Watching him run reminds me of Antowain Smith, another north-south guy.

Re: Foster, True. He still has the shiftiness and speed, but not the durability. Edit - Also have to factor in Ben Tate's poor health, Houston's rushing attack is at its best when Foster carries most of the load and Tate relieves him. Justin Forsett was given a bigger role by proxy than Kubiak may have wanted.