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Old 01-01-2013, 09:49 PM   #5831 (permalink)
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ugh, you're pitiful.

I wonder why a guy that threw for less than 4000 yards, with 61% passing accuracy, and 28 TDs to 14 INTs didn't win over a guy with nearly 4600 yards, 68% passing accuracy, and 49 TDs to 10 INTS. You see that VAST difference in stats, yeah, that's why Manning won. There wasn't a VAST difference in stats between Brees and Manning in 2009 so don't bother saying I'm being selective again when you're once again comparing things that shouldn't be compared.
So a 4 point difference in completion percentage (NFL record), 1 more touchdown on about 40 less attempts, 6 less picks, and a 10 point differential in QB rating is not indicative of extremely proficient offensive work, moreso than the guy who threw for a pathetic 3 yards/attempt on those 40 more attempts, and 16 interceptions. Dude had more opportunities to throw TD's, but threw 1 less.

Showtime: Says stats aren't everything. Tries to use stats to prove points when his " more wins" bullshit gets obliterated.
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:05 PM   #5832 (permalink)
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How is 1.8%=4%?

Manning had 16 INTs, Brees had 11(once again, can you not fucking do simple math, you seriously can't minus 11 from 16? ),but Manning had 1 fumble compared to Brees having NINE.

Manning also had SEVEN 4th quarter comebacks. SEVEN. He lead us back from games that could have easily been losses. And no, he wasn't the reason we were down in the first place, in most cases it was our awful defense which would give up points far too often.


Your arguments are pathetic and you do bad comparsions when trying to prove your arguments. My more wins thing did not get obliterated, you're just a ***** and don't know shit.


also, not all INTs are due to the QB being at fault. I recall a lot of those INTs from 2009 being caused by tipped balls from our receivers not getting their hands completely on the ball. I can't really prove this, but if you actually watched the games you would know this. Once again, there was an obvious reason why the voters voted for Manning over Brees. Just let it go. The voting wasn't even close in fact, Manning got 40 out of the 50 votes.

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It's not Brees fault he has tiny hands and can't hold on to the ball
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My Quarterback ranking- 1.Brady 2.Manning 3.Rodgers 4.Brees 5.Someone worse than top 4.
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I think AP should be the MVP but I wouldn't be outraged if Peyton wins, both have had mvp seasons.

Just like i'd vote for Luick to be ROY but both rg3 and Wilson are deserving too.
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Eli = Favre btw. Exciting QB's who throw the game away far too often. Good enough for some Super bowls, but the root of even more headaches, Romo wishes he was half of Eli.
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:43 PM   #5837 (permalink)
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How is 1.8%=4%?

Manning had 16 INTs, Brees had 11(once again, can you not fucking do simple math, you seriously can't minus 11 from 16? ),but Manning had 1 fumble compared to Brees having NINE.
That's my mistake, looking at 2008 for Manning on the %. Nice try on the picks though, obviously a typographical error. After all, we can't all word things as eloquently as you can, and then write it off as a "wrote that wrong" error, can we? Fuck out of here with your condescending bullshit. I let you get away with your shitty wording a few posts ago, but when someone else makes a mistake, it's the end of the world. That's really desperate, and you're going in circles again.

Regardless, Brees statistically outperformed Manning, and broke a 28 year old NFL record in the process. Brees was the most proficient passer in the league that year. He was also sacked 10 more times, although dropping back about 40 less times. Uhm, yeah.

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Manning also had SEVEN 4th quarter comebacks. SEVEN. He lead us back from games that could have easily been losses. And no, he wasn't the reason we were down in the first place, in most cases it was our awful defense which would give up points far too often.
So now it's not just about the wins, it's about the COMEBACK wins. Brees didn't need a lot of COMEBACK wins, because the Saints didn't trail in a game until Week 7 in 2009.

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My arguments are pathetic, but you resort to hostile mannerism and deflective smoke and mirrors to debate them? It's about the wins...no wait, it's about the stats...no wait, it's about the comeback wins...no wait, it's about the value...no wait...



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also, not all INTs are due to the QB being at fault. I recall a lot of those INTs from 2009 being caused by tipped balls from our receivers not getting their hands completely on the ball.
Why do you feel the need to continuously talk down to people? Again, I played football for 13 years and can do without your lectures. Also, not all fumbles are due to the QB being at fault, especially considered Brees was sacked twice as much as Manning. Oh wait, that's different, right?

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I can't really prove this, but if you actually watched the games you would know this.
So all of your psychobabble in the last few posts were in vain? Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Dude, I've had you going in circles for a while now. I was actually logically trolling you with actual points and mannerisms. I'm actually surprised you had absolutely no comebacks and attempted to turn right on a NASCAR track. It was pretty funny.


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That's my mistake, looking at 2008 for Manning on the %. Nice try on the picks though, obviously a typographical error. After all, we can't all word things as eloquently as you can, and then write it off as a "wrote that wrong" error, can we? Fuck out of here with your condescending bullshit. I let you get away with your shitty wording a few posts ago, but when someone else makes a mistake, it's the end of the world. That's really desperate, and you're going in circles again.
I'll give you one last response for lolz. I would have let it go if you didn't make the same mistake twice. And when I made that error in choice of words it was actually pretty awful because I said Brees didn't outperform Manning in the superbowl when he clearly did. That was just stupid of me and I admit it, but other than that you've been wrong on a lot.

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Regardless, Brees statistically outperformed Manning, and broke a 28 year old NFL record in the process. Brees was the most proficient passer in the league that year. He was also sacked 10 more times, although dropping back about 40 less times. Uhm, yeah.
I'll use what you've been saying this whole time...is being the MVP about breaking records now?

Manning's online stopped being good as they aged/retired, he didn't have an elite offensive line in 2009 but he is one of the quickest QBs at getting rid of the ball after the snap. That isn't an opinion, that was a fact. He was getting the ball out of his hands faster than any other QB in the last couple of years with the Colts. It's not like he had all day in the pocket.

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So now it's not just about the wins, it's about the COMEBACK wins. Brees didn't need a lot of COMEBACK wins, because the Saints didn't trail in a game until Week 7 in 2009.
That's because Brees had a more complete team, like I've been saying or are you trying to tell me it was Brees also playing defense and ensuring that the other team wasn't scoring? Yeah, that's what I thought.


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My arguments are pathetic, but you resort to hostile mannerism and deflective smoke and mirrors to debate them? It's about the wins...no wait, it's about the stats...no wait, it's about the comeback wins...no wait, it's about the value...no wait...

Ugh, this is why I called you a m****. What separated Brees and Manning in 2009 was the wins and also how they went about winning those games. In 2004 it was the vast differences in stats. If you honestly think that the MVP is won the same way every year then you really are a fucking m****. Seriously, just stop, you're not winning this argument and don't use very much logic otherwise you wouldn't have to use the awful comparsions that you do; like trying to compare Collins' value to his team with Brees' and Manning's value to theirs or Brady's year in 2004 to Manning's.

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Why do you feel the need to continuously talk down to people? Again, I played football for 13 years and can do without your lectures. Also, not all fumbles are due to the QB being at fault, especially considered Brees was sacked twice as much as Manning. Oh wait, that's different, right?
I talk down to people when they start being illogical, like you have. I don't talk down to everyone, but when people say the shit that you've been saying that obviously I'm going to be very condescending.

And I gave you the lecture since you kept bringing up how Manning had more INTs than Brees. If you already had so much past knowledge on the subject then why did you bother bringing up that stat over and over? Not all fumbles are to the the QB being at fault, but most are. Just because you're getting sacked doesn't mean you should be losing the ball, compare that to throwing to a receiver and it's up to them to make that catch and not let it slip through their hands or tip it to the other team.

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So all of your psychobabble in the last few posts were in vain? Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Okay.

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Dude, I've had you going in circles for a while now. I was actually logically trolling you with actual points and mannerisms. I'm actually surprised you had absolutely no comebacks and attempted to turn right on a NASCAR track. It was pretty funny.

Dude, you haven't been using logic whatsoever, so I don't understand how you could have "logically trolled" me.

btw, how would I be mad about any of this? Manning got the MVP and won it quite easily therefore your arguments amount to very little as they clearly didn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.
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1. Rodgers
2. Peyton
3. Brady
4. RG3
5. Ryan

SRS. Brees and Eli don't deserve to be top 5 this season. I'm not positive, but the total QBR should support my argument.
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Brady's a winner. Unlike Peyton.
Brady has won as many championships as Romo since Romo came into the league. Brady has had more chances too. Thoughts?


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