Originally Posted by Glass Shatters
That's my mistake, looking at 2008 for Manning on the %. Nice try on the picks though, obviously a typographical error. After all, we can't all word things as eloquently as you can, and then write it off as a "wrote that wrong" error, can we? Fuck out of here with your condescending bullshit. I let you get away with your shitty wording a few posts ago, but when someone else makes a mistake, it's the end of the world. That's really desperate, and you're going in circles again.
I'll give you one last response for lolz. I would have let it go if you didn't make the same mistake twice. And when I made that error in choice of words it was actually pretty awful because I said Brees didn't outperform Manning in the superbowl when he clearly did. That was just stupid of me and I admit it, but other than that you've been wrong on a lot.
Regardless, Brees statistically outperformed Manning, and broke a 28 year old NFL record in the process. Brees was the most proficient passer in the league that year. He was also sacked 10 more times, although dropping back about 40 less times. Uhm, yeah.
I'll use what you've been saying this whole time...is being the MVP about breaking records now?
Manning's online stopped being good as they aged/retired, he didn't have an elite offensive line in 2009 but he is one of the quickest QBs at getting rid of the ball after the snap. That isn't an opinion, that was a fact. He was getting the ball out of his hands faster than any other QB in the last couple of years with the Colts. It's not like he had all day in the pocket.
So now it's not just about the wins, it's about the COMEBACK wins. Brees didn't need a lot of COMEBACK wins, because the Saints didn't trail in a game until Week 7 in 2009.
That's because Brees had a more complete team, like I've been saying or are you trying to tell me it was Brees also playing defense and ensuring that the other team wasn't scoring? Yeah, that's what I thought.
My arguments are pathetic, but you resort to hostile mannerism and deflective smoke and mirrors to debate them? It's about the wins...no wait, it's about the stats...no wait, it's about the comeback wins...no wait, it's about the value...no wait...
Ugh, this is why I called you a m****. What separated Brees and Manning in 2009 was the wins and also how they went about winning those games. In 2004 it was the vast differences in stats. If you honestly think that the MVP is won the same way every year then you really are a fucking m****. Seriously, just stop, you're not winning this argument and don't use very much logic otherwise you wouldn't have to use the awful comparsions that you do; like trying to compare Collins' value to his team with Brees' and Manning's value to theirs or Brady's year in 2004 to Manning's.
Why do you feel the need to continuously talk down to people? Again, I played football for 13 years and can do without your lectures. Also, not all fumbles are due to the QB being at fault, especially considered Brees was sacked twice as much as Manning. Oh wait, that's different, right?
I talk down to people when they start being illogical, like you have. I don't talk down to everyone, but when people say the shit that you've been saying that obviously I'm going to be very condescending.
And I gave you the lecture since you kept bringing up how Manning had more INTs than Brees. If you already had so much past knowledge on the subject then why did you bother bringing up that stat over and over? Not all fumbles are to the the QB being at fault, but most are. Just because you're getting sacked doesn't mean you should be losing the ball, compare that to throwing to a receiver and it's up to them to make that catch and not let it slip through their hands or tip it to the other team.
So all of your psychobabble in the last few posts were in vain? Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Dude, I've had you going in circles for a while now. I was actually logically trolling you with actual points and mannerisms. I'm actually surprised you had absolutely no comebacks and attempted to turn right on a NASCAR track. It was pretty funny.
Dude, you haven't been using logic whatsoever, so I don't understand how you could have "logically trolled" me.
btw, how would I be mad about any of this? Manning got the MVP and won it quite easily therefore your arguments amount to very little as they clearly didn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.