[Red Viper]

Downplaying? I never downplayed what Brees did, I said he had a more complete team than Manning. I also never mentioned Rodgers or Brady.

I got tired of the argument as it's over an award that was determined three years ago and nothing either of us will say will change that.


And Brady won't do shit this year, like every other year since his elite D and VINATIERI left.

[Glass Shatters]

Originally Posted by Showtime

I don't even care anymore. Manning won the MVP, it was completely deserved, and nothing will change that. Stats aren't everything man and winners don't decide MVP on stats alone and never will be and the amount of wins your team has will always be a big factor.

I like how you completely avoided my "garbage" arguments in lieu of having to explain how you determine value, knowing that it would contradict your argument.

BRB Manning wins 2004 NFL MVP
BRB Brady and the Patriots have NFL's best record
BRB Manning deserves award although having less wins, contradicting argument there
BRB going on about worth translates to wins; Barry Sanders

[WOOLCUNT]

Except for when Brady's team loses to Manning's team like in 2007.

[Notorious]

Brady's a winner. Unlike Peyton.

[LovelyElle890]

Originally Posted by TKOK

Except for when Brady's team loses to Manning's team like in 2007.

Well everyone can't play against Rex Grossman for a Superbowl ring.

[WOOLCUNT]

Did not know that Rex Grossman played on defense.

[Red Viper]

Originally Posted by Glass Shatters

I like how you completely avoided my "garbage" arguments in lieu of having to explain how you determine value, knowing that it would contradict your argument.

BRB Manning wins 2004 NFL MVP
BRB Brady and the Patriots have NFL's best record
BRB Manning deserves award although having less wins, contradicting argument there
BRB going on about worth translates to wins; Barry Sanders

ugh, you're pitiful.

I wonder why a guy that threw for less than 4000 yards, with 61% passing accuracy, and 28 TDs to 14 INTs didn't win over a guy with nearly 4600 yards, 68% passing accuracy, and 49 TDs to 10 INTS. You see that VAST difference in stats, yeah, that's why Manning won. There wasn't a VAST difference in stats between Brees and Manning in 2009 so don't bother saying I'm being selective again when you're once again comparing things that shouldn't be compared.

[LovelyElle890]

Originally Posted by Notorious

Brady's a winner. Unlike Peyton.

I don't mind losers but at least be exciting. Favre was an exciting loser. Peyton is bland and boring.

[Glass Shatters]

Originally Posted by Showtime

ugh, you're pitiful.

I wonder why a guy that threw for less than 4000 yards, with 61% passing accuracy, and 28 TDs to 14 INTs didn't win over a guy with nearly 4600 yards, 68% passing accuracy, and 49 TDs to 10 INTS. You see that VAST difference in stats, yeah, that's why Manning won. There wasn't a VAST difference in stats between Brees and Manning in 2009 so don't bother saying I'm being selective again when you're once again comparing things that shouldn't be compared.

So a 4 point difference in completion percentage (NFL record), 1 more touchdown on about 40 less attempts, 6 less picks, and a 10 point differential in QB rating is not indicative of extremely proficient offensive work, moreso than the guy who threw for a pathetic 3 yards/attempt on those 40 more attempts, and 16 interceptions. Dude had more opportunities to throw TD's, but threw 1 less.

Showtime: Says stats aren't everything. Tries to use stats to prove points when his " more wins" bullshit gets obliterated.

[Red Viper]

How is 1.8%=4%?

Manning had 16 INTs, Brees had 11(once again, can you not fucking do simple math, you seriously can't minus 11 from 16? ),but Manning had 1 fumble compared to Brees having NINE.

Manning also had SEVEN 4th quarter comebacks. SEVEN. He lead us back from games that could have easily been losses. And no, he wasn't the reason we were down in the first place, in most cases it was our awful defense which would give up points far too often.


Your arguments are pathetic and you do bad comparsions when trying to prove your arguments. My more wins thing did not get obliterated, you're just a ***** and don't know shit.


also, not all INTs are due to the QB being at fault. I recall a lot of those INTs from 2009 being caused by tipped balls from our receivers not getting their hands completely on the ball. I can't really prove this, but if you actually watched the games you would know this. Once again, there was an obvious reason why the voters voted for Manning over Brees. Just let it go. The voting wasn't even close in fact, Manning got 40 out of the 50 votes.