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Skins defense isn't good though. They're in the bottom portion of the league in scoring and yards allowed. Skins don't have a number 1 WR. Maybe Garcon can be one, but he's been out almost the entire year.

Both are gonna be awesome quarterbacks, but RGIII is better this season so far.

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RGIII's receivers aren't anything special. He doesn't have a Reggie Wayne he can throw it to.

And RGIII's been vastly better by any measure statistically, and using the 'less talent' excuse will only get you so far.

Player Cmp % Yds/Att TD-to-INT Ratio
RG3 67.5% 8.2 4:1
Luck 56.8% 7.1 1:1

Also, Indys had the 5th easiest schedule (tied with Pitt) while the Skins are near the middle. RGIII has been doing things unprecedented for a rookie. Luck's been having a good rookie year, but RGIII's rookie year would statistically go down as one of the best all time if it ended today.

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Things that have never been done before? Stats are nice but at the end of the day wins is what matter, no other first overall QB has ever had more than 7 wins in a season. In 11 games Luck already has that many. He is doing things that have never been done before, they just aren't showing up on the statistics.

And you guys aren't taking into account the fact that RGIII has Morris who has proven himself has a good quality back. Nothing amazing, but he is reliable which is something that is nice to have in your runningbacks in this league. That is something that Luck does not have in any way and that does create a whole hell of a difference as teams anticipate the pass nearly all the time and just focus in on the passing game as our running game doesn't scare anyone.



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Dude Morris is good because Griffin is good. Put Morris on the Jags. You think he'd still be a top 10 RB? Because Griffin threatens the entire field, you just have to concede some stuff to Morris. I'm not saying he sucks, and he is better than anything Indy has, but he's nothing special.

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I never said he's top 10 or even good. I said he's reliable, which he is, which is what other QBs don't have. And I really don't think Griffin makes THAT huge of a difference. Super elite passers have had shit runningbacks for years with teams playing the pass the whole way and yet their runningbacks haven't played very well(Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc), so I don't see why that changes with Griffin just because he can run.



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Indy lost to the Jags and Jets. They got blown out by the Jets. They're barely beating the middle of the pack and bad teams in their schedule. That's cool that they're beating the Browns, the Titans, and the Dolphins, but those aren't good teams.

Indy's best win is against the Packers. Well done. Let's see how they do agains the Texans. They have yet to play them.

And as for wins, that's a team stat. The QB doesn't get full credit for those no matter what ESPN says. Let's compare their records at the end of the year just the same. Let's compare their seasons then too.

Right now, Griffin has the edge.


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I never said he's top 10 or even good. I said he's reliable, which he is, which is what other QBs don't have. And I really don't think Griffin makes THAT huge of a difference. Super elite passers have had shit runningbacks for years with teams playing the pass the whole way and yet their runningbacks haven't played very well(Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc), so I don't see why that changes with Griffin just because he can run.
The difference is Shanahan. He likes to run the ball to keep defenses off balance. Morris is the beneficiary of Shanahan's offensive game planning and Griffin's ability to strike from anywhere on the field. Kudos to him for seizing the opportunity and running with it. Most RBs are shuffled week to week lol under Shanahan the last few seasons.

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Did you see the Jags game? I'll assume no. Luck led a fourth quarter comeback while also only leaving only a minute left on the game clock. The defense then allowed Gabbert to make one long throw with absolutely horrid coverage and allowed a TD. That wasn't his fault.

It wasn't his fault that the defense made Mark Sanches look good.


These wins, the ones that I've seen and even the ones I haven't, have been because of Luck and his ability to run our offense. These aren't team wins, our defense has not gotten it done, especially when it's had to.

The Skins have also only beaten bad teams, but have also lost against these bad teams. Griffin has kept them close in nearly all their games with his great play, but don't act like the Skins aren't a superior team. You can determine that simply by how they did last year, and last year the Colts were by far a worse team.

And I know the season isn't over yet, but at this point in the season Luck's team has a better record than Griffin's team. Griffin has been better statistically, but Luck has lead his team to more wins. Which would you rather have? Romo always had good stats too(I am absolutely not saying he will turn out like Romo or is anything like Romo) but he is hardly a winner and not really a QB that most teams would want to have.



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Same thing happened to the Redskins vs the Giants. Griffin made the plays to take the lead late...and then that lol secondary gave up an untouched/undefended deep ball to Cruz. Both defenses are bad, but the Colts have faced weaker offenses. Jets, Browns, Jags, Dolphins, Titans. Not scary at all. There are 5 wins right there where the awful Indy D didn't really matter since those offenses shoot themselves in the foot more often than not.

I don't see a weak offense on the Skins schedule save the awfulness of the Eagles. Rams, Panthers, and Cowboys aren't world beaters but they're better than those 5 I mentioned the Colts played.


I'm a huge Luck fan. He has done really well this season, but Griffin III really has been better. Could that change in last month of the season? Yep.

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Umm, did our awful d not matter when it did? Our defense couldn't stop Sanchez nor could it stop Gabbert. That is very telling in terms of which team has a worse defense.

And honestly I don't care what teams the Colts beat as long as they beat them. A playoff spot is a playoff spot regardless of the situation and circumstances that got you there and you should know that more than anyone.

Btw Dallas has the same record as the Dolphins(and at the time of the Dolphins defeat they were on a win streak I believe and fighting for a playoff spot) and Panthers/Rams are as bad as the Jets/Browns/Titans. The only team that was actually way worse than them all is the Jags.



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They could stop WEEDEN, TANNEHILL, and HASSLOLEBECK though. They have to be doing some stuff right some of the time. Really it's more like those offenses just suck and implode all too often. Rams are about the same, you're right, but the Panthers are better than those 5.

Look at points scored. Wash is in the top 10. Indy is out of the top 20 (21st). This could be that the Colts have faced better defenses, but looking at the schedule I don't see anyone major here save Chicago.

And you do need to care who the Colts have beaten. If they had played a schedule with better offenses, they probably don't win the games they have won. Who they've played is only relevant when looking at Luck and Griffin individually. Of course, who you beat to get into the playoffs doesn't matter. That's a team thing though.

Also, look at total defense. Wash (28) is lower than Indy (19). Again though, Wash has faced superior offenses overall.

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