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Old 10-28-2012, 10:24 PM   #3561 (permalink)
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Collinsworth said that the Saints don't look like the Saints.

Well, they do. They just look like the Saints from the 70s & 80s.
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Old 10-28-2012, 10:29 PM   #3562 (permalink)
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Denver with a D is a real threat. Can't judge it off 1 week, but the Saints are an offensive powerhouse..
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Denver with a D is a real threat. Can't judge it off 1 week, but the Saints are an offensive powerhouse..
Eh, the Saints are an offensive powerhouse with Payton calling the shots. His in game adjustments allow us to stretch teams both horizontally and vertically via both the run and pass. Without them, we are wildly talented with a degree of inconsistency to match the talent as has been the case all season. Limiting Brees like they did is an accomplishment, however.

I'm not even going to touch the defense past what I'm about to say.They are supremely lacking in NFL talent and we're talking one of the worst defenses of all time if this continues.

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Eh, the Saints are an offensive powerhouse with Payton calling the shots. His in game adjustments allow us to stretch teams both horizontally and vertically via both the run and pass. Without them, we are wildly talented with a degree of inconsistency to match the talent as has been the case all season.

I'm not even going to touch the defense past what I'm about to say.They are supremely lacking in NFL talent and we're talking one of the worst defenses of all time if this continues.
While I wouldn't disagree with your statements, any Brees-led team is still a force. They will still score a lot of points against other teams this year. I even think they beat the Falcons at least once. It is clear you guys aren't the same without Payton, but still a force and glad to see my team do so well on D. It is that defense that is killing you guys, which I didn't think you guys could do worse than the Raiders whom Denver dominated thoroughly a few weeks back.
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While I wouldn't disagree with your statements, any Brees-led team is still a force. They will still score a lot of points against other teams this year. I even think they beat the Falcons at least once. It is clear you guys aren't the same without Payton, but still a force and glad to see my team do so well on D. It is that defense that is killing you guys, which I didn't think you guys could do worse than the Raiders whom Denver dominated thoroughly a few weeks back.
Oh, without question the Saints are never "out of it" per se with Brees at quarterback. But looking at it in retrospect from 2006-2011, this isn't the same Drew Brees. We're now looking at a 60% passer when in previous years we were looking at record breaking accuracy. Granted, the receivers aren't helping as you saw with Graham and his 3+ drops tonight, but Brees is missing some throws, too. The play calls to set up any type of rapid scores just are not there. Without Payton, we are utterly incapable of stringing together successful plays consistently. We were 1 for 12 on third down conversions. With Payton, that would never, ever happen.

Also, we don't try to run the ball at all. Maybe that's not such of a bad thing because we can't when we do try.

The defense...one of the worst of all time. No doubt. Just lacking playmakers. I don't think it's Spagnuolo. Looking at T'eo, Mingo, or Montgomery for the draft.
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Oh, without question the Saints are never "out of it" per se with Brees at quarterback. But looking at it in retrospect from 2006-2011, this isn't the same Drew Brees. We're now looking at a 60% passer when in previous years we were looking at record breaking accuracy. Granted, the receivers aren't helping as you saw with Graham and his 3+ drops tonight, but Brees is missing some throws, too. The play calls to set up any type of rapid scores just are not there. Without Payton, we are utterly incapable of stringing together successful plays consistently. We were 1 for 12 on third down conversions. With Payton, that would never, ever happen.

Also, we don't try to run the ball at all. Maybe that's not such of a bad thing because we can't when we do try.

The defense...one of the worst of all time. No doubt. Just lacking playmakers. I don't think it's Spagnuolo. Looking at T'eo, Mingo, or Montgomery for the draft.
I completely agree. Sometimes I feel as if we rely on Drew entirely too much. Our defense is just horrible and I hope to God we grab T'eo in the draft. He's a spark plug and a great guy and I can really see him becoming sort off a Ray Lewis type player. Our offense just seems lost without Sean at the helm. The only good that will come out of this season is a high draft pick.
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Saints should have blown up the team instead of resigning Brees to be honest. This squad doesn't look like it's going to get much better very soon with as many problems as the defense has.
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I realize Peyton Manning can make you look bad, but man that Saints defense was beyond bad tonight.

Their offense just had a bad night. It's was partly Denver, but they were awful too. Totally out of sync.
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I completely agree. Sometimes I feel as if we rely on Drew entirely too much. Our defense is just horrible and I hope to God we grab T'eo in the draft. He's a spark plug and a great guy and I can really see him becoming sort off a Ray Lewis type player. Our offense just seems lost without Sean at the helm. The only good that will come out of this season is a high draft pick.
The defense hasn't had a playmaker since Sharper had a season for the ages in 2009. We're just lacking a big time player anywhere on defense and we need to start constructing this defense from front to back. We have solid young guys like Cam Jordan and Akeem Hicks on the line, but outside of them I don't really care if any of the other 9 return. We need to start feeding one of our running backs consistently, preferably Ingram or Ivory to use them as trade bait. I like the way Ingram was playing last season before he got hurt, so I'd prefer to keep him. This 3 carry a piece shit is doing nothing but not allowing the running backs to showcase their talent and get into a rhythm.

Vitt did a horrible job last night. Punting when we're down 20+ in the fourth quarter and going for it on 4th down early in the second quarter from midfield. Shit just didn't make sense. Maybe he was trying to save face and not have the score run up on us, but there really isn't much difference between 31-14 and 38-14 or 45-14. We get destroyed either way. The only good thing about last night is that I started Manning and Decker on my fantasy team and they gave me a 3 point victory with a combined 40.9 points.

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Saints should have blown up the team instead of resigning Brees to be honest. This squad doesn't look like it's going to get much better very soon with as many problems as the defense has.
Defense is just lacking big time talent. We can't rush the passer, tackle, or cover. We can't play defense, period.

I don't agree with not resigning Brees, seeing as he was coming off a season for the ages and a 13 win season. He'll come to play with a vengeance next season. And don't get me wrong, the offense isn't necessarily doing the defense any favors. There have been long stretches at points in this season where the offense simply cannot move the football.

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I realize Peyton Manning can make you look bad, but man that Saints defense was beyond bad tonight.

Their offense just had a bad night. It's was partly Denver, but they were awful too. Totally out of sync.
The Saints defense is currently on pace to be the third worst statistical defense ever. These guys are used to playing with a lead and going for the football with the way our offense has been circa 2006. When the offensive production isn't there, the Saints are not going to make plays on defense.
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