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Old 09-20-2012, 12:04 PM   #2051 (permalink)
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Genesis, how is Eli mentally stronger than Cam Newton?
Ugh. Do we really have to do this, MM? You have a well known & patented dislike of Eli, who you think tends toward being lucky instead of good.

Fact of the matter is Eli is Tim Tebow but he can actually play the QB position & at an elite level. He's shown time & time again that he can immerse himself fully in amnesia after some horrid plays, quarters, halves & come back to produce. Look at any documentary from anyone that's coached & they consistently say one of the hardest things for a QB to do & one of the qualities of the great QBs is the ability to forget bad plays/mistakes & come back that next play, that next quarter, & deliver at a level that overshadows the former.

It's what he does, what he's done over a span of years now & last Sunday was just the most recent example. After turning in a 3 INT half that gave the Bucs an 11 point leave in one half, guy comes out of the tunnel drops 295 in the 2nd half & leads his team to a W.

Not just anyone can pull out these types of games consistently & look at the rest of his team, he's rubbed off on them. They trust & rely on the guy to get them out of whatever, that's why even with that terrible half, you still had guys like Tuck, JPP, & Cruz calmly stating that they'd been here before & they still feel good about the game. Eli owns that team, there certainly aren't many QBs that can say that, the Rings also lend him a certain amount of credence, that's the proof around their fingers.

As to Cam? It's not a knock, guy's just now in his 2nd year, there's no way you can expect him to have that hardened mentality in less than 2 full seasons. That comes through experience so by pure virtue of TIME, he's not there yet. Can't blame the man for when he came into the League.

Now, I feel sullied enough having to espouse the positives of another QB, so I'll close with:

Fuck the Giants & the rest of the NFL not named the Baltimore Ravens.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:12 PM   #2052 (permalink)
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So because TB's secondary gave up almost 200 yards each to Nicks and Cruz, this is Eli being great? Ok.

Eli definitely does have no memory of his awfulness. That's your best point.

But the reason why I asked the question is that we don't have much of a track record for CAM.

And it's not just my biased that says Eli gets lucky more times than he's good. Objectively watching Eli, the guy has gotten lucky a lot. I hate the Redskins more than the Giants actually and you will rarely read me saying Griffin isn't amazing.
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I actually have to forgive the Giants if they don't play well tonight.

It is a short week, on the road, with key injuries on Offense & Defense. This is a recipe for disaster. Hopefully I am wrong.
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mark sanchez is mentally tougher than any quarterback y'all were arguing about yet. he hasn't had his TEBOW meltdown in public yet and that's the only criteria for mental toughness.

i know i'm not supposed to talk about this, but i can't help but laugh at a certain team running back situation. i think it's some karma for running the wheels off of fast willie parker, which has rendered this team incapable of a successful running play.
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Ugh. Do we really have to do this, MM? You have a well known & patented dislike of Eli, who you think tends toward being lucky instead of good.

Fact of the matter is Eli is Tim Tebow but he can actually play the QB position & at an elite level. He's shown time & time again that he can immerse himself fully in amnesia after some horrid plays, quarters, halves & come back to produce. Look at any documentary from anyone that's coached & they consistently say one of the hardest things for a QB to do & one of the qualities of the great QBs is the ability to forget bad plays/mistakes & come back that next play, that next quarter, & deliver at a level that overshadows the former.


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As to Cam? It's not a knock, guy's just now in his 2nd year, there's no way you can expect him to have that hardened mentality in less than 2 full seasons. That comes through experience so by pure virtue of TIME, he's not there yet. Can't blame the man for when he came into the League.
This wasn't here last time I read your post.

I don't know. Cam shows that grit needed to succeed in the NFL, at least he has when I've watched him. He's not that accurate of a passer (wouldn't say he's inaccurate either) yet that offense is one of the better ones in the league. This will be a good test for him tonight. We know the Giants can get after the QB, but that secondary is as suspect as any in the NFL. Can the Giants' front rattle him to make poor decisions? If they don't I expect it to be a shootout or a Panthers blowout. I think it's a Panthers blowout so that must mean it'll be a Giants blowout.
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So I was having this discussion earlier with some of my friends, wanted to get you guys take on it. If you were the Bills what do you do when Fred Jackson returns from injury, do you keep C.J. Spiller as the starter or does the starting role return to Fred Jackson? In case you've been living under a rock, C.J. Spiller is tearing it up so far this season. Currently leads the league in rushing yards, yards per carry, 20+ yard rushes and he's tied for the lead in rushing TD's with Arian Foster.

My opinion, I keep C.J. Spiller as the starter as I feel as though he's earned it. Fred Jackson will just have to work to get his starting job back.
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CJ would be the starter and Jackson would get split carries, although not as many as CJ. A lot of good running teams have two good runners and it allows both runners to stay fresh as well.
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Yeah Spiller is the starter. Give Fred touches here and there and give Fred the ball on the goal line. Jackson is too good not to use despite Spiller's explosion.

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Those are three great RB tandems. What's great about Spiller/Jackson is that both are great receivers.
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