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Since Liverpool are starting their Europa League campaign tonight, may as well start this thread now.

This will be rodgers first season in Europe, so I expect he'll look to have a solid competition. I reckon AVB will take this competition more seriously than Redknapp and Newcastle will want to do well for sure. Hopefully these three teams will do well and help England's co-efficient points.

As for the CL, we're retaining it :jordan2

 
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#4,883 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

The thing is that Nani wasn't making a challenge, he was trying to control the ball, not clear the ball, so I really don't understand the comparisons with the De Jong incident. Was it a foul? Yes. Was it a yellow card, maybe, I can see an argument for a yellow. Was it a red? Hell no. The terminology used in the laws of the game is as follows: Careless foul is no card, a Reckless foul is a yellow card, and using excessive force is a red card. So okay, his high foot is careless, fair enough, its a foul. Is it Reckless, well maybe, that can be debated, I would say no though because Nani has zero intention of even toughing Arbeloa, he's trying to control the football. But there is no argument to be had that he used excessive force. He didn't even use any force, and at no stage was Arbeloa in any danger at all. Nani goes to control the ball. Arbeloa flies in too, and there is a collision with a stray leg. That is all. There's no stamping or kicking motion from Nani. It's just an outstretched leg to control a ball.

I know no one here is really saying it was a deserved red but just playing devil's advocate and saying how the referee might have interpreted it. But for me it was a clear mistake, and a very disappointing one in how it so clearly changed the course of the game.
 
#4,902 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

The thing is that Nani wasn't making a challenge, he was trying to control the ball, not clear the ball, so I really don't understand the comparisons with the De Jong incident. Was it a foul? Yes. Was it a yellow card, maybe, I can see an argument for a yellow. Was it a red? Hell no. The terminology used in the laws of the game is as follows: Careless foul is no card, a Reckless foul is a yellow card, and using excessive force is a red card. So okay, his high foot is careless, fair enough, its a foul. Is it Reckless, well maybe, that can be debated, I would say no though because Nani has zero intention of even toughing Arbeloa, he's trying to control the football. But there is no argument to be had that he used excessive force. He didn't even use any force, and at no stage was Arbeloa in any danger at all. Nani goes to control the ball. Arbeloa flies in too, and there is a collision with a stray leg. That is all. There's no stamping or kicking motion from Nani. It's just an outstretched leg to control a ball.

I know no one here is really saying it was a deserved red but just playing devil's advocate and saying how the referee might have interpreted it. But for me it was a clear mistake, and a very disappointing one in how it so clearly changed the course of the game.
Exactly. It's like saying Lopez should have gone for punching Vidic in the head, he was going for the ball but he was obviously being at least reckless. Can't go in with your fists, someone may take a knock.

Fucks sake, in a few years tackles will be outlawed in Europe in case someone accidentally gets a kick. It's a contact sport, sometimes when you try to control the ball you may bump someone.

I know the Liverpool fans are just trying to get a rise cause none of them were arguing that Carra should have seen red for gouging Nani's leg, which was much worse. I'd do the same if the positions were reversed tbh but no-one that's played football truly believes that was a red card offense, surely.

Ref had a shocker; Nani red, wrong call, Rafael pen, wrong call, penalty shout on Evra, wrong call. If Nani's was a red then Ramos should have gone for the elbow in the first leg, and there was the Varane incident that was debatable anyway. It's just a shame it ended up the way it did.
 
#7,503 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread - It Just Got Mythical

Dortmund were dominant, Dortmund were first to every ball, simply wanted and deserved it more. Lewandowski with a brilliant career performance. I thought Madrid were equal in the first half but Dortmund were on a different caliber in the second. Bayern and Dortmund are just too fucking good, congrats on the final.

I still have the 1% hope for Real at the Bernabeu because it's still Jose but realistically it's over.

Bayern are taking it and I would be so happy for this guy :robben2 after years of frustration, he deserves it and they deserve it as a team. I think that the crazy results in the last two days showed that relying on one player's performance, as good as he can be, will never be the same as entire team playing together like a well oiled machine. Again, congrats to Bayern and Dortmund.
 
#1,663 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

City's support wasn't great, but there isn't an english team who can lay claim to having a consistently good atmosphere at home in Europe anymore. Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Spurs, City, Liverpool and Everton are all garbage for any game which isn't a monumental tie these days, and even then its not like the atmosphere is that great compared to most of Europe.

Football in this country is marketed towards your replica shirt wearing sit down shut up families whose only contribution noise wise is to moan at every misplaced pass. City tbf had a great following when they went down to the 3rd level of English football and do have by all accounts generally a solid base of loyal fans, though Mancunians are pretty much some of the most devoted fans as you'll get, as seen by the likes who follow United, City and of course FC United.

The problem with home games is that there are too many different sorts of supporters in the ground to generate a consistent atmosphere. City have the corner to the right of the away fans as their main base of noise, but 90% of the rest of the ground is made up of predominantly sitting supporters who make no effort. So you've got about 2500 fans giving it a go but met with 40,000 others making no effort. Its the same with United, Liverpool and Chelsea: they all have sections of the ground where a consistent atmosphere is generated but they can only do so much when so many fans in the ground have no effort in making noise. This isn't the 70s and 80s where a broader percentage of fans were boozed up fanatics who loved to get behind their team, football has become the fashionable thing in British society and as a result you get so many families, teenagers, middle aged women and other age groups who aren't put off by the ridiculously steep prices and now more and more grounds around the country have these type of fans in the clear majority, with the people prepared to sing handicapped by who's surrounding them.

This is why having clear sections of football grounds where all fans prepared to stand and create an atmosphere is vital for English football. Europe leads the way by giving supporters the chance to group together and create an atmosphere, rather than trying to stamp out the hardcore fans via ticket prices and ensuring they sit at games. Take Old Trafford for example, 2 sections of the ground regularly stand every game (9000 in total) but you get so many people not arsed with creating an atmosphere in these sections as well as the rest of the ground that you can't get anything going. This is why away supports piss on near enough every home support in the country, aside from lower league football where numbers diminish.

TL;DR - City's support was dire tonight, but then I can't think of any english team who would have excelled in that situation. The English atmosphere is always dictated by the tempo of the game, dire when the play is slow, ferocious when you get tackles flying in and the home team constantly attacking. As big as City's game was tonight, to many fans it was still 'Ajax' who they have no hatred towards and who to many shouldn't have posed a threat. I imagine many more fanatical supporters may also have been priced out tonight which doesn't help, but this is basically the result of what happens when the English game tries to drive out the devoted fans and replace them with the face-painted, soccer am happy clapping brigade.
 
#4,046 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

LOL at how butthurt EGame is :lmao
 
#4,057 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

LOL at how butthurt EGame is :lmao
Arsenal = Liverpool.

dealwithit

EGame gonna EGame :kanye

THE MUPPET ONE

how about that awful Milan backline ay?
Location: Land down under.

:lmao

Bitter much? Don't see United fans saying anything of the sort, and how ignorant that you assume Barca would own them. Pity you couldn't even begin to own Milan last night big head!

Think it calls for a bit of. . .

LOL @ being bitter when 95% of the people ITT are still butthurt over their defeats over the past 4 years.

SO MANY FEELS STILL FELT.

LOL, where has any United fan acted like they’ve won anything?

I’d still make Barcelona and Madrid favourites in both ties. However, the first legs have gone as well as I could have hoped. Barcelona and Madrid were the favourites for the CL, I’m sure having both eliminated before the quarter finals would leave 8 teams feeling pretty happy.

Some odds right now for the CL. Bayern were favourites last night at 3/1, never seen it so open at this stage.
Inter 3 - 1 Barcelona
return. Barca 1 - 0 Inter - Loss

CDR Barcelona 1-2 Sevilla
return. Sevilla 0-1 Barcelona - Loss

SSC Sevilla 3-1 Barcelona
return. Barcelona 4-0 Sevilla Win

Arsenal 2-1 Barcelona
return. Barca 3-1 Arsenal -Win

Chelsea 1 - 0 Barcelona
return. Barca 2-2 Chelsea -Loss

ITS OVER.

 
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#4,817 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

Words fail me. Haven't felt this gutted about a result ever. Bad decisions are one thing but when they're the difference between beating Real Madrid in the Champions League and being knocked out of the biggest competition in the world it's just heart breaking. It'd be tolerable if they looked like going through before that but they didn't. We were the better team. That's not even up for debate. We were doing everything they right and there's no way they were scoring 2 goals without a big turning point in the match. Injustice gets thrown around a lot but this really was an injustice.

If you think it was a red card then you're an idiot of the highest order. Sorry but you are. Never a red card. You can only give a red if you're 100% sure there's intent to hurt the other player and there clearly isn't. He doesn't even glance at Arbeloa. What's the alternative? He backs out of the challenge and lets Arbeloa go on? It's getting to the point where the game will be stopped if the ball goes over waist height.

The game the whole world is watching? Well the whole world thinks the sport is a laughing stock now.

Faultless performance from the lads though. Did everything right until the red and then it was mission impossible. Giggs is astonishing at this point. Welbeck will be a Utd legend by the end of the decade. Find his finishing form and he'll be starting every big match. Even Evra and Nani were playing brilliant. Everything was going perfect. Should have known it was too good to be true.

Fair play to Jose. Hard to say anything else about the decision and the impact of it but he's a class act when the respect is there. Problem is the respect isn't always there. Ronaldo's a top boy too despite all the slack he gets (and I'm guilty of this myself from time to time). Top quality goals mind. Modric is far too good to be wasting away on the bench at Madrid.

You just know that the ref will be taking a Quarter Final tie and we'll get punished far worse than he will. Joke of a sport. A glorious sport but a joke of one for years now.

25 from 30 for the league record. If we go HAM vs City and Chelsea we'll do it. Shouldn't drop points anywhere else unless we slack off so 1 from 6 against those 2 will do it by that maths. Hoping we go FHAFM on Sunday after that.
 
#4,861 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

I'm still pissed about it, usually I cool down around an hour after a shit result/decision but if we knocked Madrid out and with Barca on the ropes, I think we had a decent chance of winning the competition had we got through. Bayern would have been the team to avoid but still, I feel we could have beaten them on our best day.

Honestly, I hope the club do their best to ruin that cunts refereeing career.
 
#5,675 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread - EGame about to go Randy Marsh

Arsenal was so brilliant today. Just so proud of the effort, and how BRAVE they were. Such a valiant effort. It's going to be our last CL game for a long time. I'm guessing at least two years, who knows...maybe longer.

But back to today, just immense. That defense performance was something you dream of. Great high pressure, solid composure on the back, superb organization. I could rave about the backline for hours. Kos and Per were amazing. And for all the angst that Jenkinson has got over the several months, he's turned into quite a tidy defender. Just need to improve his attack.

Offensively, we left something to be desired. Rosicky wasn't good, outside of the opening goal. Felt like Ramsey should have stayed on, and Rosicky should have been subbed off. I also wonder why Arsene waited so long for subs. We had a goal to play with. Bayern scoring wouldn't have changed our objective.

That offside call on Theo in the 55th minute was bullshit. He was onside. Huge blown call there.

Ah well. Goodbye champions league. Hopefully we'll return with a club capable of winning it all.
 
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