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Old 02-20-2013, 06:51 AM   #3841 (permalink)
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The top 4 trophy represents success for where we currently are. It shows we're still competing with the financial doping clubs like City and Chelsea, and even doing better than others like Liverpool. And when FFP comes in we'll overtake each of them once again and become a force in Europe. Things are looking very good for us right now and Wenger's legacy will be akin to Shankley.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:21 AM   #3842 (permalink)
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FFP is already having a huge effect in Italy so I don't know why Chelsea and City fans think they'll continue to get away with it. I'm not expecting you to be decimated by it, because both teams have plenty of money coming in. But the days of spending 100M plus on transfers each year will end.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:28 AM   #3844 (permalink)
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chelsea and ourselves will be absolutely fine. new tv money + bigger sponsors on a continual loop. very little will change.

all it takes is one psg-esque deal and eveyone's in the clear.
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You do realise that new TV deals + more sponsorship money effect every club, not just ones with rich owners. FFP will level the playing field. A teams spending power will be dictated by how much revenue they generate, not how rich their owners are.
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You do realise that new TV deals + more sponsorship money effect every club, not just ones with rich owners. FFP will level the playing field. A teams spending power will be dictated by how much revenue they generate, not how rich their owners are.
How does that level things out? That just means the teams that make the most revenue i.e. Top 4 will still be able to outspend the rest of the league.
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I meant with respect to sugar daddy owners. I agree that FFP does tighten the grip that the big clubs have on the top places, however I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing if it means we won't see financial collapses the likes of Leeds, Portsmouth, Parma, etc.
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but not every club gets the same tv money + the sponsors. the big clubs will get the bigger sponsors and the bigger tv deals and the rest will fight fro scraps.

and it has nothing to do with avoiding a portsmouth type situation. the new premier league ones are an even bigger farce. it was specifically said to avoid these types of situations. maximum allowed annual losses? 35 mil. portsmouth's highest annual loss? 17 mil. the new wage restraints introduced mean that qpr would be able to increase their wage bill by 4 mil over the current 170% of their turnover.

how is that stopping any sort of financial ruin? the money paid to the bottom club next season will be more than this season's champions. the next few windows could see spending unrivalled by previous windows. it will not be a level playing field. the rich will get richer and there is no chance of a city situation occurring again. and that's the only reason this has been implemented. to stop the likes of an everton, a sunderland, a fulham, from never being anything else than a team battling for europa qualification and once every blue moon a champions league spot. and that's pretty sad.
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FFP is starting with maximum annual losses at 35M, which is slowly going to scale back to a much smaller figure that I can't remember offhand, but I think it's around 10-15M (or 30-50M over 3 years), so it would actually have an effect on keeping clubs from doing a Portsmouth. Also Premier League TV money is split equally.
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correct, it is, i meant the prize money for finishing position. my bad. i also can't remember reading anything beyond a maximum loss of 105 mil over 3 seasons, but that's only if you put the money aside to fund it for 3 more years. if the rule had been in place in 2008-2011, only 4 clubs would've failed. chelsea, liverpool, aston villa and ourselves. that's hardly a widespread problem in need of drastic change.

it still means an increase in such money that the bottom club next season, as in relegated, will receive more money than this season's champions will. that in itself will cover the losses of practically every club. and just imagine how much the champions in that season will receive. im pretty sure i read that the money the champions receive in prize money + television revenue would be enough to turn our loss into a profit. that's a fair bit.

based on that, you can only assume that the gap will just continue to widen and widen between the top few and the rest. over time the top 4 or 5 will continue to receive enough money to cover their losses easily. throw in champions league revenue that will only increase, plus sponsors that will only increase, plus tv money that will only increase, plus prize money that will only increase, and so on and so forth for each deal. it's just and endless cycle of money, and without the possibility of a a lower club being bankrolled to competitiveness, it can easily create an even more heavily monopolised competition. the standard of the bottom and middle end clubs will improve, but the top end club will improve out of sight.

it's just an unfair system designed to keep the big boys safe from any possibly upstarts. all impressive youth will be plucked even moreso than they are. why doesnt any of this additional money go to the grassroots stuff? football has always had wealthy backers, clubs have been bankrolled throughout the ages, why is NOW suddenly the time to go 'uh we dont want this anymore'?

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Essentially, Premier League owners have been given a sizeable financial boost. They have colluded and decided that they would quite like to avoid passing on this bounty to players, those that create the entertainment deemed so valuable. Therefore, a wage ceiling is introduced to avoid such an inconvenience, allowing money to be retained. If a squad does need investment, ticket and merchandising prices can always be increased in order to squeeze more from a loyal customer base.
sums up the prem ffp rules perfectly imo.

and yes, i know it's odd that i'm laying into the rules that will in future protect my club, but to put in place a system that denies others a real chance of success is just proper unfair. if all teams received the same amount of money, could only spend so much on transfers and wages, and could only get so much from sponsors, i'd be more inclined to support it. but there's nothing on that. only how much money you're allowed to lose, which can be covered up with a couple of sponsors and television money for the big guys. that's not fair at all.
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