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Old 10-25-2012, 04:21 AM   #1451 (permalink)
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He's far from INCREDIBLE thats for sure
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Old 10-25-2012, 04:31 AM   #1452 (permalink)
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All of a sudden Hulk is overrated? His move to Russia was a poor choice, that's for sure, but he's still a great player.

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Ajax Starting XI:

Vermeer - youth product
Van Rhijn - youth product
Alderweireld - youth product
Moisander - 2.5m
Blind - youth product
Eriksen - 1m
Poulsen - free
Schone - free
Sana - 250k
De Jong - youth product
Babel - free (originally a youth product)

Total starting eleven cost = 3.75 million.

Lol City.
Moisander is technically home grown too, he was at Ajax from 2003 to 2006 during his younger years, then they sold him and have now bought him back. Eriksen has been at Ajax since 17, so the way he plays now is also a product of Ajax's academy, his first year he mostly played in the u21's, but yeah, not fully home grown. Yesterday was a victory for football

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What? Aren't they made up of Brazilians? I don't think Brazilians go through the Ukrainian youth system...

They may buy them young and cheap, they certainly didn't go through their academy though.
Exactly, Shakthar has been doing so well last few years because they are rich, and use this money to buy South Americans "cheap" to build up the team. It's not a nice strategy because Brazilians in Ukraine is such an odd combination, but you have to give them props for an outstanding scouting system.

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its not like the madrid starting 11 is any cheaper than city's, and they got battered by one of the best academies on earth

as did chelsea with shakhtar

and barca's academy beat the celtic bought players
Barca has the best academy in the world followed by Ajax, but let's not forget the amount of money they have spent on the likes of Alba, Song, Villa, Sanchez etc to strengthen their team.
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Old 10-25-2012, 04:47 AM   #1453 (permalink)
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Yea, remembered immediately I posted. Not sure why he's just mad at the prem all of a sudden. I just can't agree with him from any direction.
I never once said i was mad at the Prem. I also never once said it isn't a great league. Actually, i said it is a great league, and i see the case for it being the best in the world. I just think that La Liga is better than it, By the smallest of margins. But i also see why people say the premier league is best, and i don't completely disagree with that.

What i said, is that it's over-rated. And the reason i said it's over-rated is because people tend to think it's miles ahead of the other leagues, which it's not. I don't agree with people saying that the premier league is by far the best league in the world.

You seem to have mistaken what i meant by over-rated. Over-rated doesn't mean it's bad. You have come in and thought i meant that the Premier league is bad, which is not what i sai at all. I just don't think it's by far and away the ebst league in the world, like many make it out to be.
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Old 10-25-2012, 04:57 AM   #1454 (permalink)
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Taken from another forum...

Ajax Starting XI:

Vermeer - youth product
Van Rhijn - youth product
Alderweireld - youth product
Moisander - 2.5m
Blind - youth product
Eriksen - 1m
Poulsen - free
Schone - free
Sana - 250k
De Jong - youth product
Babel - free (originally a youth product)

Total starting eleven cost = 3.75 million.

Lol City.
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Old 10-25-2012, 04:57 AM   #1455 (permalink)
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so it's not the fault of the 11 underperforming players? at all? not even a teeny tiny bit?
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I never said you have to get rid of Mancini but the reason why you are doing bad in Europe is mainly because of him. He has a very poor record in europe.
I never blamed Mancini for everything but he is the main reason.

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Ajax Starting XI:

Vermeer - youth product
Van Rhijn - youth product
Alderweireld - youth product
Moisander - 2.5m
Blind - youth product
Eriksen - 1m
Poulsen - free
Schone - free
Sana - 250k
De Jong - youth product
Babel - free (originally a youth product)

Total starting eleven cost = 3.75 million.

Lol City.
Wow.

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Yea, remembered immediately I posted. Not sure why he's just mad at the prem all of a sudden. I just can't agree with him from any direction.
Yeah me neither. I can't see how is La Liga better than EPL.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:25 AM   #1456 (permalink)
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Yeah me neither. I can't see how is La Liga better than EPL.
Better standard and quality of football
I think overall, the teams below Real and Barca are under-rated, and are great teams.
It's home to the best players in the world
It's very exciting below the top 2

I think that people look at La Liga, and see that Barca and Real dominate it, which is true. They then forget that there are plenty of great teams below them like Valencia, and Atletico Madrid. I think the overall standard of football is much better of there. I would much rather watch Deportivo vs Granada, than Reading vs Southampton.

There are some reasons. But it's all opinion. Your opinion is no more wrong or right than mine, and vice versa.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:36 AM   #1457 (permalink)
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Better standard and quality of football
I think overall, the teams below Real and Barca are under-rated, and are great teams.
It's home to the best players in the world
It's very exciting below the top 2

I think that people look at La Liga, and see that Barca and Real dominate it, which is true. They then forget that there are plenty of great teams below them like Valencia, and Atletico Madrid. I think the overall standard of football is much better of there. I would much rather watch Deportivo vs Granada, than Reading vs Southampton.

There are some reasons. But it's all opinion. Your opinion is no more wrong or right than mine, and vice versa.
La Liga has better players but Premier League is more competitive and exciting imo.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:38 AM   #1458 (permalink)
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Valencia got destroyed by a weak Chelsea(AVB was in charge at that time). Teams like Osasuna, Getafe, Levante,etc get destroyed by Barcelona\Real Madrid most of the time.

The premier league is much more entertaining than La Liga imo. It is much more competitive and exciting. Look at the end of last season for example. It is unpredictable. I do agree with you that La liga has a better standard of football though.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:44 AM   #1459 (permalink)
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Valencia got destroyed by a weak Chelsea(AVB was in charge at that time). Teams like Osasuna, Getafe, Levante,etc get destroyed by Barcelona\Real Madrid most of the time.

The premier league is much more entertaining than La Liga imo. It is much more competitive and exciting. Look at the end of last season for example. It is unpredictable. I do agree with you that La liga has a better standard of football though.
Man United got destroyed by Bilbao. Chelsea got destroyed by Atletico. It works both ways.

Like i've said before though, i see the argument for the premier league and it's a good one. But i don't think it's by far and away the best league in the world like many make out thats all.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:52 AM   #1460 (permalink)
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I don't think it is by far the best league either. I just can't see how La Liga is better, but it your opinion and I respect it.

As for Chelsea losing to Atletico Madrid, fair enough. But as for Man Utd losing to Bilbao, I doubt Man Utd took the Europa league seriously tbh. English teams don't really give a shit about Europa league while Spanish teams do take it seriously.
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