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#1 ·
Since Liverpool are starting their Europa League campaign tonight, may as well start this thread now.

This will be rodgers first season in Europe, so I expect he'll look to have a solid competition. I reckon AVB will take this competition more seriously than Redknapp and Newcastle will want to do well for sure. Hopefully these three teams will do well and help England's co-efficient points.

As for the CL, we're retaining it :jordan2

 
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#2,811 · (Edited)
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

My post might sound a little strange, but it actually makes perfect sense. It's what I've been saying all week to people who insist that they 'knew' that Bradford were going to beat us. Because if they truly thought that was going to happen, they would have put money on it, given the very long odds offered.

As I said, if you genuinely think that Celtic are more likely to progress to the quarter finals than Arsenal, then there's money to be made. Place your bets properly and if neither Arsenal or Celtic progress, you break even through using Bayern as insurance. If both Celtic and Arsenal go through, you make profit due to Celtic's long odds. If Celtic go through and Arsenal don't, then you make a killing. If Arsenal go through and Celtic fail, then you're fucked, but hey, according to you that's very unlikely.

I'll even go to the trouble of giving you an example of how it works. So using Skybet's odds of 4/1 for Celtic to go through, and 4/11 for Bayern to go through, here's how you'd do it. Put $20 on Celtic at 4/1, and $55 on Bayern at 4/11. Here are the profits/losses based on the permutations:

Celtic and Munich qualify is an $100 profit.
Celtic and Arsenal qualify is a $25 profit.
Juventus and Munich qualify breaks even.
Juventus and Arsenal qualify gives a loss of $75.

So given that both you Seabs and Posterizer think that Celtic and Bayern going through is more likely than Juventus and Arsenal, then get on that bet, because if a more likely outcome pays more than the stake, then surely you'd be stupid not to take that gamble. I bet neither of you do though cause you are both lying to yourselves and trying to spin a quirky narrative about Arsenal.

EDIT - I also meant to say that it doesn't even need to be a $75 stake you put up. If you didn't want to gamble that sort of money, just divide each figure by 5, and the thing still works out. Put $4 on Celtic and $11 on Bayern. So a $15 stake potentially paying out $20 for in your eyes the more likely outcome.
 
#2,813 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

I think Arsenal vs Bayern sounds better on paper than it actually will be on the pitch. Bayern are far superior to Arsenal in all areas of the pitch and should go through quite comfortabely imo.

If Arsenal end up going through, then i'll be the first to admit i'm wrong, but i can't see past Bayern at all in this tie.
 
#2,816 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/footballfirst/protectingthegame/financialfairplay/news/newsid=1908817.html

the key part:

Málaga CF (ESP): The club is excluded from participating in the next UEFA club competition for which it would otherwise qualify in the next four seasons (i.e. 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16, 2016/17). In addition, Málaga will be excluded from a subsequent UEFA competition for which it would otherwise qualify (in the next four seasons) if it does not prove, by 31 March 2013, that it has no overdue payables towards football clubs or towards employees and/or social/tax authorities, in accordance with the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations.

Málaga has also been fined €300,000. The prize money withheld on 11 September 2012 (as a conservatory measure) will be released.
jesus that's a buttfucking and a half. 5 other clubs suspended too.
 
#2,818 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

hnk hajduk split, nk osijek, rapid bucharest, dinamo bucharest, fk partizan. basically all due to overdue payments that need to be satisfied to creditors by march 31st 2013 or the ban is upheld.

fk vojvodina and arsenal kyiv have been fined. lech poznan have no case to answer.
 
#2,819 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

If Madrid and Barcelona win there quarter finals in the Copa Del Rey Madird could have a fixture list something like this:

Jan 29/30 Barca - Copa Del Rey
Feb 13 Man Utd - CL
Feb 26/27 Barca - Copa del Rey
Mar 2/3 Barca - League
Mar 5 - Man Utd - CL


Thats scary!
 
#2,823 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

Arsenal can beat Bayern, what some of you seem to forget is that it's not the current form that matters, the fixtures are in February, that's more than a month so current form doesn't matter as it could change very quickly look how Chelsea started the EPL this year and where they are now... Bayern wasn't that impressive in their group as well. They played against teams which were just as shitty as Arsenal's opponents. Valencia (11th in Spain), Lille (11th in France) and Bate is just total randomness... Sure Bayern is doing REALLY well in B-Liga I'm aware of that and they are definitely the logical choice in this clash, IMO 70/30 that Bayern goes through but still, Celtic is like 90/10 with Juve, The Old Lady is going through for sure.
 
#2,826 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

It's anyone's game really. It is entirely possible that United, Celtic, and Arsenal could get though. Although I honestly think that Celtic have the best chance to get through. Getting a real 2005 vibe from them.

United could make it but I'm not sure if their midfield can handle Madrid's.
 
#2,827 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

It's anyone's game really. It is entirely possible that United, Celtic, and Arsenal could get though. Although I honestly think that Celtic have the best chance to get through. Getting a real 2005 vibe from them.

United could make it but I'm not sure if their midfield can handle Madrid's.
I appreciate comments like these I really do but don't get our hopes up like that

It will be like me saying that Liverpool will be back in the Champions League by 2016 :troll
 
#2,837 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

Looking forward to the two Europa League games against Lyon. I hope we stick with Lloris in goal. I don't know why we chop and change goalkeepers in these cups. Hopefully we see Naughton at right back too. I feel Dembele and Bale need a rest so I wouldn't mind seeing Holtby come in alongside Parker in central midfield and either Dempsey or Sigurdsson playing on the left with Ade up top.
 
#2,838 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

Looking forward to the two Europa League games against Lyon. I hope we stick with Lloris in goal. I don't know why we chop and change goalkeepers in these cups. Hopefully we see Naughton at right back too. I feel Dembele and Bale need a rest so I wouldn't mind seeing Holtby come in alongside Parker in central midfield and either Dempsey or Sigurdsson playing on the left with Ade up top.
I think it'll be a very strong team. Remember Spurs haven't got a game this weekend because it's FA Cup matches, so more time to rest up afterwards.

I think the reason AVB left Vertonghen and BAE out of the starting lineup on Saturday was with this game in mind. I also hope Lloris starts. Against his former club aswell.
 
#2,839 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

De Gea
Rafael
Rio
Evans
Evra

Valencia
Carrick
Cleverly
Giggs

Rooney

RVP

is what I'd go with. Could also put Welbeck on the wing as you know he'll put a shift in and get back. Wingers need to double up with Evra and Rafael coming back. Pray to god Ronaldo stays out wide where Rafael has a chance rather than lurking down the right all match for Evra to cope with. Oh god at the thought of that. If Nani starts then I'll kill a truck driver. Same for Kagawa actually. Not this game. Sticking Rooney on the left instead of Giggs and putting Jones in the middle with Carrick and Cleverly is a good option too. Assuming Jones is even fit. I'd rather play the formation we played on Sunday though because there's away goals to be got here and they can be the difference over 2 legs. If we go there to try and defend for our lives and hope to nick a goal then I'll be very worried. Evans is one of the first names on the team sheet these days so he's definitely starting. Can't see Vidic playing again, especially after Rio sat Sunday out completely. I'd prefer Rio than Vidic for the away leg anyway. I'll take a 1 goal defeat as long as we gets 2 goals.
 
#2,848 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

De Gea
Rafael
Rio
Evans
Evra

Valencia
Carrick
Cleverly
Giggs

Rooney

RVP

is what I'd go with. Could also put Welbeck on the wing as you know he'll put a shift in and get back. Wingers need to double up with Evra and Rafael coming back. Pray to god Ronaldo stays out wide where Rafael has a chance rather than lurking down the right all match for Evra to cope with. Oh god at the thought of that. If Nani starts then I'll kill a truck driver. Same for Kagawa actually. Not this game. Sticking Rooney on the left instead of Giggs and putting Jones in the middle with Carrick and Cleverly is a good option too. Assuming Jones is even fit. I'd rather play the formation we played on Sunday though because there's away goals to be got here and they can be the difference over 2 legs. If we go there to try and defend for our lives and hope to nick a goal then I'll be very worried. Evans is one of the first names on the team sheet these days so he's definitely starting. Can't see Vidic playing again, especially after Rio sat Sunday out completely. I'd prefer Rio than Vidic for the away leg anyway. I'll take a 1 goal defeat as long as we gets 2 goals.
No chance Giggs starts after playing 90 minutes.

The team I think he'll go with:

De Gea

Rafael Ferdinand Evans Evra

Jones Carrick Cleverley

Kagawa/Welbeck RVP Rooney​

Really would like to see Kagawa start. Not sure Ferguson fully trusts him, or knows how to best utilize him yet, but this is sort of game that could be tailor made for him, with some space to attack Madrid as we'll be pushed back. If Vidic is up for it I'd certianly go with him, over either CB, he's been absolutely superb in his recent appearances, looking like the dominant force he was.

Terrible feeling about this game. I think it could get out of hand, like 3/4/5-0 out of hand. The La Liga is just too far ahead of the Premier League, and when you look at what Barca always do to us, what Athletic done to us last season. I really could see it getting embarrassing. If it's level at half time, it could open up for us. Mourinho gets easily frustrated and is liable to make panic changes, especially with the pressure they're under. An early United goal would be orgasmic.

Can't see it unfortunately. Suspect Madrid will win comfortably as will Bayern. Celtic will probably frustrate Juventus, particularly with the first leg at home, one of the rare cases where I feel that suits them, as they wouldn't want to enter the second leg needing a goal, they'd want to go there with something to defend. If they get a result tomorrow, it will be very interesting.
 
#2,842 · (Edited)
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

Can't understand why everybody is talking about Wednesday's game between a Diddy team from the North West of England VS the 3'rd best team in Spain when Tomorrow night we got The Champions of Scotland, The Conqueror's of the GOAT's VS The Old Lady, The Champions of Italy it's Celtic VS Juventus Brother :hogan

Have heard rumblings that we might be playing 3-5-2 tomorrow night which I think would be suicidal, would us rather play a 4-5-1, hopefully Samaras is fit for the match but I am very doubtful he will be which a blow for us considering how well he has played this season especially in Europe

My Proposed team for tomorrow

Forster

Izzy
Mulgrew
Wilson
Lustig

Commons
Ledley
Wanyama (Man Marking Pirlo)
Brown
Forrest

Hooper

Think it will end in a 0-0 in all honesty
 
#2,843 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

Backing Celtic to get a draw. They won't go through but getting a result at home to Juventus in the knockout rounds would be wonderful. This run has already paid off their bank debt so regardless it's been a huge success for the club. Nice to hear some positive news from the Scottish Leagues for once.
 
#2,844 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

Think Madrid will win by a 2-3 goal margin, would prefer United to go through but I don't see it happening. Fully expect Pirlo to get fouled 1000 times by Celtic players, can see Celtic getting a draw. As for Bayern, i am very worried about Van Buyten.
 
#2,845 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

I'm torn between United & Madrid. United are in good form, and Real look vunerable. But i also have a feeling that Madrid may just turn up to this match. It's so hard to predict. I'm going to go with Real on away goals, although i think United might just get through too.

So, i've got

Madrid
Juventus
Barcelona
Bayern
Dortmund
Galatasaray
PSG
Malaga

Therefore, the Quarter final ties i want...

Dortmund vs Galatasaray
PSG vs Madrid
Barcelona vs Juventus
Bayern vs Malaga
 
#2,846 ·
Re: UEFA Champions/Europa League 2012-13 Thread

I'm torn between United & Madrid. United are in good form, and Real look vunerable. But i also have a feeling that Madrid may just turn up to this match. It's so hard to predict. I'm going to go with Real on away goals, although i think United might just get through too.

So, i've got

Madrid
Juventus
Barcelona
Bayern
Dortmund
Galatasaray
PSG
Malaga

Therefore, the Quarter final ties i want...

Dortmund vs Galatasaray
PSG vs Madrid
Barcelona vs Juventus
Bayern vs Malaga
Switch Malaga with Porto and I'm willing to sign this.
 
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