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Old 08-24-2012, 06:42 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Its all a bit strange. Either he's guilty or not. Thats what the tests should show and yet they can't prove anything.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:46 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Top 10 from the 2005 Tour:

1. Armstrong***
2. Basso***
3. Ulrich***
4. Mancebo*
5. Vinokourov***
6. Leipheimer**
7. Rasmussen***
8. Evans
9. Landis***
10. Periero

*"Retired" as Operacion Puerto broke
**Former teammate of LA, possible witness
*** Rubbed out.
Evans and Periero are the only ones who to my knowledge are "clean".

Top 10 from 2003 (possibly the worst ever)

1. Armstrong***
2. Ullrich***
3. Vinokourov***
4. Hamilton***
5. Zubeldia*
6. Mayo***
7. Basso***
8. Moreau***
9. Sastre
10. Mancebo*

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Old 08-24-2012, 08:23 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I don't even like Amrstrong but his wins being stripped is yet another blow to a great sport. The problem is that if you think all your rivals are doping, it puts massive pressure on you to do the same especially if you've been convinced that you can get away with it.

Just seen that this could make my fave rider Ullrich a four time champ now, but it's still pretty meaningless coming all these years later. I mean does anyone really consider Andy Schleck a Tour De France winner? (which he is officially.)

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Old 08-24-2012, 08:52 AM   #44 (permalink)
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He may not be in the record books any more, but, he still made some serious coin from it so he still wins in the end.
Well no, not really. That's his entire legacy and everything he's worked so hard for, ruined. No amount of money can substitute that.
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:09 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Yeah exactly. No amount of money is worth losing a legacy like that. A very sad day for Lance and for cycling in general. I just pray we are in the midst of a cleaner era at the moment.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:55 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Yeah, not a good day whichever way you spin it. We all want a cleaned up sport but the end result and consequences are unknown. I mean what good does giving the titles away do when so many of those guys behind have questionable pasts themselves. It's just moving the buck, are they going to face the same thing too? There's the obvious contentious issue that LA passed so many tests and the evidence is witnesses, who now that LA has dropped his appeal won't be heard, although there is a possibility the inofrmation will come out anyway. There's the UCI who have tried to protect LA when they are in charge of the sport, what message does that send? There's the point that new riders will see what can happen and think twice about this in future, but the issue is not going away anytime soon. This doesn't solve anything, just leaves a grey area where there is no answer and we are left on a limb. This one will run on regardless.


Anyway, another poor day for Sky leading out Swift, Degenkolb and team looking awesome. Bit worried about Froome etc. doing more work when we have a major stage tomorrow. Still they (mostly, Uran apart) were at the front and stayed out of trouble. Hoping they don't continue to put so much into these sprints, especially when they aren't getting the rewards.

Bertie today:
“I’d give myself a pass. I was very pleased with Ezcaray, and if I lost a bit of time yesterday it was maybe partly because of dehydration and partly because it was such a steep, explosive finish. I’m a bit a ring-rusty, so I can be pleased.”
“I haven’t reached my best form yet. I’ve no idea if those cramps I had are a sign of worse times to come, I’ll just have to stay focused.”

Purito translated:
He knows tomorrow's stage very well cause he's done the climb many times and he lives in Andorra (Actually, Unipublic got to know this climb from Purito through the mediation of a journalist who is friend of him). The beginning is easy with a wide road and some descending sections. The end is harder with a narrower road and ramps of 15%-20%. He wants to keep the red jersey but is not obsessed with stage wins as in 2010. He sees his three rivals as different riders. Contador kills his opponents changing the pace. Valverde is more like Purito, keeping his energies for a final kick and Froome is hammering from the start of the climb with a high constant pace.





This is the third mountain stage. The peloton will have to get through 174 kilometres to reach the finish line, in yet another unprecedented location, at the Collado de la Gallina in Andorra. The final kilometres will be very tough as the 2nd category climb at the Comella will be followed almost immediately by the final 1st category climb. The Collado de la Gallina is made up of more than seven kilometres, four of which have an inclination of over 9%. This may well be a game changer for many of the riders, where differences in the general classification will become very obvious. No one will have a chance to let their guard down or simply have a bad day in a stage littered with both very challenging descents and steep climbs.
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That last climb looks awesome, let's hope the riders do it justice. Basically tmr, we find out who will not be contesting this year's Vuelta. If a breakway doesn't succeed my predictions for this stage are:

J-ROD
Froome +1
Contador +1
Valverde + 35
Cobo +35
Gesink +35

Other contenders to be some way behind.

I imagine Sky will try and control the pace and keep it nice and fast for Froome but I think Contador will definitely attack tmr and all chaos will follow from there.
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:08 AM   #48 (permalink)
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So looking forward to today. This should give us a much better idea of where the main contendors are at. Praying the break don't get to stay away. If they're all together at the first climb, there is a chance to attack leading into the descent, it will be interesting who has position to attack the second climb. Sky will be hoping to deliver Froome again and put some gaps on the pack. Purito is in form and confident, Bertie has to come good today, Valverde is in even more need of a good display. Expecting the main 3 to be contending this, although we could see one of them gettting dropped here. I don't know if anybody else can push themselves into the front.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:14 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Fuck, my stream failed and i couldn't find another one in time, missed the end. Sounded exciting!


I had a feeling someone was going to get dropped out the pack and we wouldn't get them all gaining time together. Not great riding from Froome, but he shows he's human. Bertie sounds stronger. Valverde comes good. Purito slips a little.

Yet again the balances shift.

1 RODRIGUEZ, Joaquin KAT 29h 59' 35''
2 FROOME, Christopher SKY + 33''
3 CONTADOR, Alberto STB + 40''
4 VALVERDE, Alejandro MOV + 50'

Now we have...
Flat stage
Rest day.
Flat stage
Timetrial
Medium mountains
Flat stage

Then the 3rd week we have 3 major mountain stages back-to-back, before a rest day. That's going to be killer.

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Old 08-25-2012, 11:27 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Now that was an amazing finish! What timing by Valverde (and Purito) at the end, coming back just out of nowhere to close down on and then pass Contador. Shame Froome cracked and, if today is any indication, he won't be getting any help from his fellow gc riders if he tries to ride away off the front

So it appears that no one of the main gc contenders has an overwhelming form advantage. This is looking to be a terrific Vuelta.
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