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Old 08-21-2012, 12:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Shame for Valverde today but that's bike racing. You can't stop the entire race everytime someone happens to be involved in a crash. Sky were within their right to force the pace at the front.

I'm loving these little teases between Contador and Froome at the moment. You can tell that Alberto is a bit weary of Froome's potential which none of us have seen thus far because he's always started a Grand Tour as a domestique. I'm expecting some real fireworks in the next mountain stages and I'm really intrigued as to how both men will handle the time trial which features a fairly lengthy climb mid-way through.

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Well a lot of riders/journos/fans etc are blaming Sky for the crash. Sky claim they didn't know Valverde fell. Lol, i saw a few look around and they would have known imo who went down from the other riders/radio. Wouldn't have been suprised to see other teams also take advantage at that point. Not sure how much of a factor Valverde would have been, yet he's the red jersey, and it doesn't look good for Sky regardless. People are saying Valverde can't talk though. He went to the Sky bus straight after the race and has tweeted some things already. It certainly shook the race up a bit, even though Valverde fought hard to get back on. I don't know what to think TBH, i feel like you the race continues at that point, but i also feel Sky 'could' have pulled things back, but then that is racing, the lines are shaded in grey and you just have to keep going.
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Well a lot of riders/journos/fans etc are blaming Sky for the crash. Sky claim they didn't know Valverde fell. Lol, i saw a few look around and they would have known imo who went down from the other riders/radio. Wouldn't have been suprised to see other teams also take advantage at that point. Not sure how much of a factor Valverde would have been, yet he's the red jersey, and it doesn't look good for Sky regardless. People are saying Valverde can't talk though. He went to the Sky bus straight after the race and has tweeted some things already. It certainly shook the race up a bit, even though Valverde fought hard to get back on. I don't know what to think TBH, i feel like you the race continues at that point, but i also feel Sky 'could' have pulled things back, but then that is racing, the lines are shaded in grey and you just have to keep going.
If Sky were responsible for the crash then they should have stopped but otherwise I see nothing wrong in riding on. Valverde has won the vuelta before but I don't think he'll be a contender here given this year's competition and so the time he lost will not matter that much in the end. I expect a couple more stage wins will help to heal his wounds.
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I can't find any video evidence that they did directly cause the crash, outside of them picking up the attack and then a chain reaction led to the fall. Bertie seems to be saying Sky started to push the pace, other teams went with them and then the crash followed. I'm sure this one will run on, and judging by some of the comments from other riders/teams, Sky will have an even bigger target now. It's not like they are unique in their style of riding though and other teams have done and will do the same sort of things. Movistar are certainly no exception, although Sky have brought this up before, so they come across as hypocritical, at the very least, if nothing else. Yet, if they didn't casue the crash i don't think they should feel too bad, i would have liked them to stop but they are under no obligation to do so.

It does spice things up in the peloton though. Valverde has extra motivation now to grab some wins and claw some time back, but like you say, it looks like that is all he will be doing now. There's talk that the Spaniards will be even more fired up after this and will work even harder together against Froome/Sky? Bertie also talked about Froome's condition today? translating and reading between the lines, i'm not sure how much there is in it, plus Froome has been, even more indirectly, but still, firing back himself recently. It's hotting up between them, but as you know, all the talking will be done on the road.

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Spanish riders all seem to adore one another so I wouldn't be surprised if they all started ganging up on Froome and Sky in the near future. If this crash incident leads to a fire up Valverde in the mountains though then we could be in for some fireworks.


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Looks like a sprinter's stage with 8 laps around the route. Hopefully Rojas picks up the win as he's in my fantasy team!

Tbh, I'm hopeless at guessing sprints when Cavendish isn't involved.
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Yeah, there's a lot of big name sprinters that aren't here, so it seems quite open. Supposedly it's another hot day?

It's between two mountain stages, relatively flat, considering, apparently teams will conserve, we should see a bunch sprint like the last time out, seems the same names are in the frame. We had Degenkolb ahead of Davis with Swift in 3rd, he's favourite again, then Viviani. Boahanni, Bennati, and then Rojas looks to gain the most from that group in a betting sense, the others are a distance behind, could be an outsider if we see any more drama, there seems to be some sharp turns in the run in/tensions may remain from yesterday.

I would love Ben Swift to grab his first major stage win, he should be in the mix again, but is inexperienced at this level still, and also doesn't have Sky's full backing, i don't know how much that is going to matter come the end.
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I haven't had time to catch the first few stages of the Vuelta but plan on following when I can. A day of looping around Logroņo probably isn't one I'll be making a special effort to see but it might be worth taking a peek for the sprint at the end.
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YAY!!! We have another poster. We're trying to get a cycling thread going. As you can see, it's early days at this stage.


Has anybody been watching the USA Pro Challenge? Tejay van Garderen has taken the lead today.
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If that's a preview of what we can expect in the coming weeks then this is going to be a sick race.

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Just watched the finish again. I still can't believe Rodriguez eases up towards the line, incredibly tight though. It was a great start, and did feel like a preview of what's to come, with the different dynamics and conditions betwen riders. Hopefully.
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