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After the dunk = best part of Ricky Davis' career.





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I remember Ricky taking the ball out of D-Wade's hands once late in a game and I'm just like 'what a fucking idiot'. He would always try to take over, acting like Wade wasn't even there at times...haha. Horrible.

But I guess Ricky had one thing in mind while playing with Wade: PAYBACK FOR THIS


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Still the greatest Wade crossover ever:



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I wouldn't call either CWebb or TMac waste of talents. TMac pretty much reached his potential with Orlando and was unfortunate to play with some shittastic rosters with Pat Garrity, Shawn Kemp on child support etc. It's not really his fault his body broke down and injuries hurt his level of play with Houston although he was still a great player the first couple of years there. I can see CWebb if you really emphasize on the timeout though. I think that really hurt him mentally for the rest of his career and he became a softie in crunch time often playing hot potato. Bibby was the only guy with a set of balls on that Kings team.

Where is Derrick Coleman on your list? There was nothing he couldn't do on the court and is the only guy to ever put Shaq on a poster STRAIGHT UP. He was just lazy and didn't give a fuck about improving and working on his game. Vin Baker was really good too until alcoholism ruined his career.
Exactly, he only played to his potential for one year. Then those Yao/McGrady teams were failures due to injuries (mostly to Yao) and bad luck. JVG said that outside of one year, they always lost to the worse team. Then after 2008 he phoned it in and now instead of a sixth man/starter, he's a scrub without a team on the age of 33.

Yes on Coleman/Baker, they fucked themselves over big time

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How is Odom a waste of talent? ..... helped the Lakers win back to back championships. Just because he's awful now doesn't mean he wasted his talent.

Carter hardly wasted his talent either, he was on some awful teams for his prime and TMac fucked him over hard by leaving the Raptors for absurd reasons.
So? He was the 3rd or 4th best player on those title teams, he could have been way better than that. And what did Carter do in response to that? Quit on his team, be an awful postseason performer most of his career (41% FG), suck it up for the Magic, suck it up in Dallas, and is now just a glorified benchwarmer. Granted, those Nets teams were just RJ/Kidd/him, but his postseason numbers were awful every year there besides 06

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Wouldn't call Kemp a waste of talent either. Guy was a beast for many years and didn't start to get out of shape/worthless until later in his career. Plus, he helped lead the Sonics to the 96 Finals where they managed to hand Chicago 2 of their 13 (a ridiculous stat in itself) losses that year.
Kemp was only a beast from I'd say 93-98. Then, because he didn't get a contract fast enough, he whined and got traded and was never the same after that. Even if he did deserve one, be professional. Ruined one of the more exciting teams ever, and nearly ruined GP's chance at a title. Kemp was done by the age of 30. That's a crime that those Sonics teams never got a title. But yeah, Kemp did shit on the Bulls that entire series (23/10/2 blks on 55%), if only GP was on Jordan from the start of the series...

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Kemp was only a beast from I'd say 93-98. Then, because he didn't get a contract fast enough, he whined and got traded and was never the same after that. Even if he did deserve one, be professional. Ruined one of the more exciting teams ever, and nearly ruined GP's chance at a title. Kemp was done by the age of 30. That's a crime that those Sonics teams never got a title. But yeah, Kemp did shit on the Bulls that entire series (23/10/2 blks on 55%), if only GP was on Jordan from the start of the series...
Think Kemp had career numbers when he first went to Cleveland. Afer that = disappointment.

And, yeah, that Sonics team was great. But so were the Knicks/Pacers/Heat/Jazz/Rockets/etc at that time. The common theme is that nobody was beating those Bulls.





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Odom couldn't have been better than one of the best players of all time and the PF with the best footwork in the NBA. He was the third best player on a really, really talented team. Do you deem Chris Bosh a waste of talent because he's the third option on the Heat now?

Carter never quit on the Raptors, the Raptors were just not that good after TMac left. had he not left that team could have been contenders, but without that great second option it was very difficult for them to get very far at all.

And obviously he wasn't amazing on the Mavs or the Magic. The fuck do you want from him this late in his career when most of his game was based on athleticism? Like shit, did you expect him to keep up that Vinsanity stuff his whole career?



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lol at Carter didn't quit on the Raptors.

Also the Raptors had their deepest playoff run in their history (lol at a 2nd round appearance), the year after McGrady left.

Speaking of the Raptors, they're playing their first preseason game right now on NBATV, but it's too bad that Lowry & JONAS aren't playing. I'll probably watch until MNF comes on.


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he quit on them when they were hopeless and he wanted to be traded. you would be a fool to think that team was going anywhere when he wanted out.

And I don't even understand why you brought up that second point. I know you're not suggesting they were better off without TMac there.



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Think Kemp had career numbers when he first went to Cleveland. Afer that = disappointment.

And, yeah, that Sonics team was great. But so were the Knicks/Pacers/Heat/Jazz/Rockets/etc at that time. The common theme is that nobody was beating those Bulls.
Yeah but Kemp only played 42 games that year (the lockout)

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Odom couldn't have been better than one of the best players of all time and the PF with the best footwork in the NBA. He was the third best player on a really, really talented team. Do you deem Chris Bosh a waste of talent because he's the third option on the Heat now?

Carter never quit on the Raptors, the Raptors were just not that good after TMac left. had he not left that team could have been contenders, but without that great second option it was very difficult for them to get very far at all.

And obviously he wasn't amazing on the Mavs or the Magic. The fuck do you want from him this late in his career when most of his game was based on athleticism? Like shit, did you expect him to keep up that Vinsanity stuff his whole career?
No, Bosh already played to his potential and showed what he could do (24/11 on 52%), and what, Carter didn't quit?

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TORONTO (AP) - Vince Carter's former teammates were dismayed Friday after hearing him admit he didn't always try his hardest when he played for the Toronto Raptors.

In an interview broadcast Thursday on TNT, network analyst John Thompson asked Carter if he pushed himself as hard as he should have in Toronto.
"In years past, no," said Carter, acquired by the New Jersey Nets on Dec 17. "I was fortunate to have the talent ... you get spoiled when you're able to do a lot of things. You see that you don't have to work at it.

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"Now, with the all the injuries, I have to work harder. I'm a little hungrier. Getting a fresh start has made me want to attack the basket."

Many have questioned Carter's dedication, his commitment to offseason conditioning and his desire to improve, but some where were surprised to hear Carter acknowledge it.

"It's a reflection on him and his character," Raptors guard Rafer Alston said. "Is he a guy that you can go to war with night in and night out? That's what a lot of people are going to be questioning."

Alston also suggested that Carter cost the Raptors games with his lack of effort.

"It hurts," Alston said. "I don't know if a player who is considered an All-Star and has so many fan votes going into All-Star week wants to have that on his rap sheet."

Carter has played well since being traded for Alonzo Mourning, Aaron Williams, Eric Williams and two first-round draft picks. He is averaging 22.5 points in 40.3 minutes with New Jersey, compared to 15.9 points in 30.4 minutes with the Raptors.

Toronto guard Morris Peterson was shocked when he watched the interview on television.

"It caught me off guard, being a professional player that's something I always pride myself on," Peterson said. "I can sleep better at night knowing I give it everything I can."

"You could tell he wasn't playing his best," Peterson said.

Toronto coach Sam Mitchell didn't want to talk about Carter.

"That's between Vince and his conscience," Mitchell said
He put up 16/3/3 in Toronto, get's traded, and decides to put up 28/6/5 and his FG% went up 5% too. Kidd has an impact, not that big of one. And no, I didn't want him to be putting up his peak numbers, I'd like something better than 17/4/3 on 43%, though. Or 14/4/2. He's been known as one of the laziest NBA players ever, along with his cousin, there's been so many times when he's been questioned on his work ethic, passion, I could go on. Yeah, some stuff is overblown (PHI/TOR game 7 in 01), but most of it isn't.
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