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Old 02-26-2013, 08:00 PM   #3121 (permalink)
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Great to see Real Madrid win tonight!
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:23 PM   #3122 (permalink)
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pepe is a disgusting thug too. disgusting player.

about 3 kicks and then throws himself to the ground. piece of shit.
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From where I stand, I see two issues with Barca:

1. Management

It's shocking that a team as good as Barca can lose 2-0 to an inferior Milan side and top it by losing 1-3 to their arch rivals at home of all places. It's a management thing. As much as Barca boys admire Pep, he fucked off when the going started getting tough, and Tito doesn't bring anything different to the table. It's a continuation basically. Barcelona need a top-class manager.

2. Over-reliance on Messi

It's not rocket science. Messi had two poor games and Barca can't seem to move an inch. They rely so much on Messi, when he doesn't perform--they don't perform. Whilst there is nothing you can do here, but Barca could, at least, rest Messi every once in a while because he is overplaying at this rate. Ronaldo gets his rests every now and then, but Messi doesn't and that's because nobody at Barca have a clue of what to do without Lionel.

If Barcelona planned on not playing Villa as much this season, I cannot understand why they didn't move for van Persie. van Persie would have provided them with that extra edge and technique up front. It's just bizarre...

Essentially, Barcelona need a new Manager. I'm not saying Tito is bad, but he's not a top-class manager and he won't be able to modify tactics to suit games. What Barca is doing is all based on their training and potential. They need a tactical manager.

As for Cesc, he is world class, but it serves him right. He's been all over the place at Barcelona. Considering he was the best midfield player in English Football when he was here, it's a travesty, but a self-inflicted one. There was a time when people actually compared him to Xavi and Iniesta. Shocking! And, I'm not big on Xavi and Iniesta these days either. They don't seem to be able to do anything substantial for Barca. I think it's due to the staleness of strategies though. A new approach would spice them up.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:43 PM   #3124 (permalink)
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personally i just think barca need a proper keeper, new good young CBs, and a different striker than messi.

maybe a long range shooter in the midfield too
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:52 PM   #3125 (permalink)
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pep fucked off when it got tough? hilarious.

his whole reign was fucking tough.
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pep left barca in a way better state than when he found it
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It's a management issue. How could the team commit the same tactical errors that it did against Milan? It was clear that when the team surrounds Messi, Barcelona becomes ineffective, but it's almost arrogant that the manager and team goes ahead and tries to play the exact same manner. It would work against most teams, but Madrid and the big boys in Europe have found out Barca. They need to play Villa/a proper striker in the middle and shift Messi to a free role on the left against the big boys now. That would be deadly. There is a reason why Barcelona was unplayable when Henry-Messi-Eto was tearing shit.

Honestly, I love playing Barca, as a Gunner because when you play Barca--you know they will play and you know you have a chance. It's not tactical mumbo-jumbo; it's playing Football for the way it is. Yesterday, Jose went back to his defensive organization and counter-attacking football. Yes, it's very effective, but it takes away from the game because Madrid never seem to come and play--for all the talent they posses and when they do, what's happening in the League happens.

I just hope Barcelona don't crumble in the League now. Their slip of form is almost alarming.
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pep fucked off when it got tough? hilarious.

his whole reign was fucking tough.
Yeah, managing the best team in the world was tough, eh?

Psychologically, I understand he was the pioneer of that best team, but if you find managing Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, and Villa tough...

Plus, Pep left immediately after he failed to win La Liga and/or the CL for the first time in his Barcelona tenure. It's not like he left despite winning them all.

And now, he's off to manage what many are claiming to be the best team in Europe this season...
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that's so unbelievably short sighted.

the amount of pressure that anyone who coaches madrid or barcelona is under is incomparable to any other club on the planet. being manager for that long of either is almost unheard of in this day and age, where a second place can get you sacked. hell, a first place can get you sacked. the pressure on anyone at those two clubs is practically choking.

he took control of a team that had lost it's way, had become lazy, unfit and disinterested. he cleared out the problems (ronaldinho, deco) and brought in guys like villa or guys from the youth academy (pedro, busquets.) changed the entire way they played, the previous year he had done that to the youth academy and the changes were unparalleled. the man completely changed barcelona and they became the best team in the world, also a team that some proclaim to be the best EVER.

sure he had world class players, but that also comes with world class egos. finding a way to keep them all happy, all in their prefered position, getting the best out of them, day in day out. all a piece of cake i guess.

he almost left basically every year. hence the rolling 1 year contract. just look at pictures between when he started and when he finished. his health was waning. he took a break and such.

and of course he's off to manage another best in the world club, why would you expect anything less from a genius?
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He took over a team that finished 3rd in La Liga, a whole 10 points off Villarreal and turned them in to a team that was UNBEATABLE. The man broke records. Sure he had Eto'o, Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc at hand but so did Rijkaard previously. In fact Rijkaard also had the likes of Ronaldinho and Thierry Henry too.

He got them playing even better football, got the ABSOLUTE best out of Lionel Messi, absolutely annihilated Real Madrid 2-6 at the Bernabeau and finished a whole 9 points clear ahead of rivals Real Madrid in the league, battered Athletic Bilbao in the Copa del Rey final 4-1 and outclassed Man Utd in the Champions League final 2-0.

For me his first season was his toughest and he made it so unbeatable that I doubt Barcelona will ever top that season, in my view anyway.
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