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Old 02-26-2013, 07:02 PM   #3111 (permalink)
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Players could learn a lot from his dedication. It's embarassing when you see someone like Nasri content to waste away the talent handed to him. I'm not saying their natural skill is in the same league but it's still rare to see a player match work ethic to their god given ability like Ronaldo has.
The thing about Nasri is I think he's the type of guy that if you give some lovin' ( likes young boys) and encouragement he'll give you good performances, he showed his class after he got left out of the World Cup squad and Arsene consoled him and virtually sucked his kawk.

With Mancini, apparently he's the type of guy that gives tough love and criticism and uses that as motivation, it's the same with Podolski, show him faith (like Joachim Low in Germany) and he'll perform.
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Come on now, even if Roura had played the team that you wanted, Madrid would still have handled Barca. Too many players out of touch, Ronaldo is red hot and Di Maria was way too much to handle.
This is not true at all.

Barca are perfectly capable of beating Madrid. No one would ever protest this.

But putting out the same team that just got dominated by Milan (who Barca should have beaten) and using the same tactics that pretty much got Barca eliminated from the CL, against a team far better than Milan...was LAUGHABLE.

If I were Jose, I would be laughing my ass off at Barca's approach to this game because it wasn't even a challenge. It was a joke.

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Old 02-26-2013, 07:18 PM   #3113 (permalink)
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Went to the gym, lifted some weights. Cleared my head. Feelsgoodandbadman.

After tonight I only have one question:

Do we even GOAT anymore?

Eliminated from two competitions in the course of a week. Yes, the CL is pretty much out of question, Milan WILL SCORE and the tie will be over (There is not clean sheet with this defence).

First off, congrats to Madrid. Can't complain about anything, they played clean and fair and were far better than Barca.

I can't help but wonder, where did the winning mentality go? What happened? Out there was a team of losers, a group of players who didn't give a shit about performing tonight. Where was the desire? the initiative? the leadership?. NOTHING.

The lunacy of Barca management to put that team out there was a disgrace. I mean half of those guys didn't deserve to start after the Milan game, yet they all get a starting place in the next big game not to mention using the same tactics? LOL. Dani was the ONLY player out there that actually deserved to wear a Barca shirt today. He gave 100% through the entire game, and deserves an applause. Iniesta was only good for the first half, then again I don't really blame Andres since he's te best fucking midfielder in the world and being used as a winger. What a joke.

But who was leadership? Xavi and Puyol should be the ones commanding the team if Tito isn't there. These guys have been here long enough to know how things should work, these guys are supposed to be the future coaches of Barca. Where was it tonight? Puyol can't carry this team at 35 years of age anymore, he is still a good player but we can't rely on him to. Xavi should be the most ashamed out of all players imo, no leadership in the midfield, no desire he's just been terrible and I cannot remember the last time he's had a good game. Horrid, absolutely horror show from Xavi. He doesn't deserve to start in the next weeks clasico. Thiago should get the green light over him.

And then there is the GOAT (who was WOAT today) Messi. I can't help but feel like he feels he's above the hierarchy of player selection, that he feels he can just do whatever he wants and automatically get a start. This is bullshit, Two terrible performances with both Milan and Madrid where he was invisible for the entire match. Truth is, any attacking player in the world would likely get benched if he performed like that in two back to back big games. Awful. This has been the worst I've ever seen Messi by far.

I really really feel bad for Villa and Tello. Now before you all jump at me and say how bad Villa was when he came on, realize that starting a player when the game is 0-0 is completely different than bringing him on when the team is down 2-0 and completely demoralized. Two players who could literally address every issue that exist in the Barca attack, rot on the bench while Pedro and Iniesta somehow get a call up. The media, every supporter around the world, the entire fucking Nou Camp was crying for Villa to start after the disaster that was Milan. Terrible, terrible, terrible management.

Killed on the counter, expected. That's what happens when you play 2 highly attacking fullbacks and two centerbacks who just don't click as well as they used to. Puyol because of age and Pique because the guy is just an idiot. Attack was non-existant, rely on Messi, that will work right? Every team in Europe knows how to overcome these one-dimensional tactics now.

This is by far the worst defeat in the past 5 years. Not just because we lost, but because we got fucking killed, smashed into oblivion by our main rivals at the Nou Camp. Next weeks Clasico doesn't even matter, it wont change anything big in the overall scheme of things. This is the one players should have turned up to. Disgusting.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Einstein

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This video sums up my thoughts on Barca these days.

You weren't joking when you said you still make good posts

I disagree on a couple of things, Messi can never be benched, he's one of these players that can have a shit game but can produce a moment of brilliance at any moment thus he's irreplaceable, same as Iniesta.

Barca seemed gassed and unmotivated to me, perhaps their minds where in the Milan game, still expect you guys to give Milan a fight for qualification despite your recent dip in form.
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:26 PM   #3114 (permalink)
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just watching it now, barca seem tired. not just physically, but mentally. having the abidal saga, then pep leaving (was a while ago but still) and now tito's problems, that would take a lot out of the players. squad desperately needs a touch up too. just some fresh faces outside the academy to challenge the current players. puyi and pique have been poor in defence, alves and alba too, the small squad etc. there's a few problems here to address, and you can't have a manager who's in hospital do it.

barca's early season for was absolutely exceptional. tito's little tinkers had the team playing brilliantly and fluidly. however, removing that pressure from the barca defenders that pep loved has been costly.

and dropping messi. like that will ever happen. he basically manages the team.
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:26 PM   #3115 (permalink)
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I'm gonna throw 1 name out there who I think it's about time he starts to get more playing time and that's Jona Dos Santos. The guy is a pass master but the name comes before performances these days.

It's about time they started to give these B team players more of a taste. Since Pedro/Busquets only Tello, Cuenca, Thiago, Montoya seem to have made the jump but only as bit part players at that. Which was like 4year ago now? I might be missing a few names off. It's time to see if Rafinha, Delofeu, Roberto, Barta, jona sink or swim. 16points ahead, Xavi and co look complacent give the hungry new blood a chance to shine in the league.

I think it was against Bilbao last season Pep played a youngish, inexperienced 11 and they played Bilbao off the park. Not just their passing/movement but the pace they moved the ball around. 90mins at 100MPH was a thing of beauty.
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:29 PM   #3116 (permalink)
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oh yeah and fabregas has been a huge letdown. but who do you replace him with? alex song? . or it's a kid from the academy (sergi roberto)

barca just need to finish this season the best as possible, probably as league winners, and just go for it in the transfer window. get 3-4 players in who can give things a shake, because they need it.

alternatively, this loss could be the best thing for them, a severe kick up the arse to show how far their standards have fallen.
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:39 PM   #3118 (permalink)
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This is not true at all.

Barca are perfectly capable of beating Madrid. No one would ever protest this.
Sure, and vice versa. Both teams are of a similar ilk.

The point is that when 8/9 players from one team shows no fight along with having a turribul game, changing 2 or 3 players wouldn't have made any difference to the outcome tonight. Same goes for a change in formation. Every single Madrid player was on point and motivated; Barca were uninterested, lethargic and sloppy.

We would argue the toss about whether or not starting Villa/ Tello/ George Costanza would have had a knock on effect but that's purely hypothetical and not worth much, if any discussion when just about everybody else played like hot garbage and Madrid were so good.
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:45 PM   #3119 (permalink)
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You weren't joking when you said you still make good posts

I disagree on a couple of things, Messi can never be benched, he's one of these players that can have a shit game but can produce a moment of brilliance at any moment thus he's irreplaceable, same as Iniesta.

Barca seemed gassed and unmotivated to me, perhaps their minds where in the Milan game, still expect you guys to give Milan a fight for qualification despite your recent dip in form.
I'm not saying drop Messi against teams like Madrid and Milan. Messi is GOAT and is irreplaceable. The difference between Barca and Real is that they have incredible depth. Ronaldo was rested during Real's game this past weekend because they have the depth to do it.

Do I think Barca could have beat Sevilla at the Nou Camp using Villa/Tello/Pedro/Sanchez in attack? Yes I do. Messi was obviously tired today, the same thing happened during the Chelsea--Real--Chelsea week last season. I firmly believe he should have been rested this weekend, even though he did win the game for us.

We should have better attacking options to rest Messi and incase he isn't performing (maybe not to bench him but to have someone else who can score a goal). Which was the case today.
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:52 PM   #3120 (permalink)
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perfect game by Real Madrid, though haven't seen Barcelona play this bad in years
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