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post #2651 of 4322 (permalink) Old 02-04-2013, 12:48 PM
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Nah, they were more than two pens that should have gone to us. A definite three, potentially four.

Abidal should not have been sent off for what he was. But he should have been sent off for pulling Dorgba's shirt in a one on one situation earlier in the game. It caught up in the end.

Your excuses suck balls.

Do I really care anymore? Not really. We avenged that loss last year and we know what happened after that.
FOUR? If you honestly think the Ballack handball one was a penalty, then you're more deluded than I thought. It's simple, the Malouda one was a freekick, outside the area. The Drogba one, penalty. Pique handball, penalty. So yes, Chelsea got some bad decisions. So did Barca. You can argue that Abidal should have gotten the red from the Drogba tackle all you like and then say you got the worse of it because of that. But had Henry gotten his penalty for the first leg, it would have been a completely different game if Barce were going into it a goal ahead. So swings and roundabouts. Typically though, the racist English media swarmed it up into a frenzy and got everyone mad without actually looking at the bigger picture. The deserving team went through. Deal with it. It's quite sad actually that Chelsea fans are still whinging about it all this time after. Arsenal once went out to PSV because of an incorrectly give corner kick. No one goes on about that. We lost to Sampdoria once in a Cup Winner's Cup semi final in 1995 due to an offside goal in the 90th minute. Only ever heard about it once and I've been a gooner for over a decade (we were actually playing the antifootball that day. Thank god for Wenger). You guys just need to get over it.

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Source: Bloomberg Forty-six European soccer teams would require equity infusions to meet incoming fiscal control regulations, according to a report from regional governing body UEFA, which said clubs’ losses widened by 2 percent to 1.68 billion euros ($2.28 billion) in 2011.

An analysis of the finances of about 700 clubs released today by Nyon, Switzerland-based UEFA showed sales of 13.2 billion euros in 2011 were eroded by 9.4 billion euros worth of spending on players and salaries, a 43 percent increase over five years.

Clubs are being assessed by a group led by a former Belgian prime minister as part of UEFA’s so-called financial fair play regulations, which aim to reduce debt and prevent teams from spending above their means. Those that fail to meet targets face sanctions including suspension from the continent’s Champions League and Europa League competitions.

“Numerous football clubs, including some prestigious ones, have experienced severe financial difficulties, leading to top division clubs’ aggregate losses increasing again,” UEFA President Michel Platini said in the forward to the 2011 Club Licensing Benchmarking Report. “Keeping costs under control and within sustainable limits is and will continue to be the clubs’ biggest challenge.”

The report said the trend of growing losses has affected clubs of varying sizes across Europe, with the 10 largest loss- makers increasing their combined deficits to 856 million euros from 596 million euros in 2007. The balance sheets of the next 20 leading loss-makers deteriorated by a combined 310 million euros over the same period.
Maximum Losses

UEFA’s rules allow teams to have a maximum loss of 5 million euros, or as much as 45 million euros as long as the deficit is covered by an equity contribution, over two years through 2013. The assessment period will be increased to three years for future seasons.

Using a simulation based on fiscal results from 2009, 2010 and 2011, 14 teams playing in European club competitions this season had losses over the 45 million-euro limit and another 32 clubs reported cumulative losses of between 5 million euros and 45 million euros.

Clubs at risk of failing to meet UEFA’s requirements include English champion Manchester City, three-time European Cup winner Inter Milan and Paris Saint-Germain, which has spent more money on players than any other team since it was acquired by an investment arm of the Qatari government in 2011.

PSG, which signed former England captain David Beckham four days ago, has spent more than $350 million in the transfer market in two years and intends to continue spending.

“It’s necessary to become one of the great European clubs,” PSG President Nasser Al-Khelaifi said told France’s L’Equipe newspaper last month. “Other clubs have invested for 20 years. We have been there for a year and a half and now we must stop pouring money? It would be unfair.”
Sponsorships Scrutinized

City, PSG and other teams have tried to mitigate losses by raising income through sponsorships and UEFA said it will look at the agreements to ensure they represent fair value.

City, owned by a member of the Abu Dhabi ruling family, has four sponsors based in the emirate including airline Etihad, which last year agreed to pay 350 million pounds ($551 million) to put its name on the team’s stadium, jerseys and new training campus. PSG will get as much as 200 million euros a year from Qatar Tourism Authority through 2016.
So we've got all these clubs that are under investigation for match fixing and 46 clubs being kicked out for breaching FFP rules. Celtic might just have a chance of winning the Champions League next season at this rate

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FOUR? If you honestly think the Ballack handball one was a penalty, then you're more deluded than I thought. It's simple, the Malouda one was a freekick, outside the area. The Drogba one, penalty. Pique handball, penalty.
It was in the area (Malouda one). Get glasses. Go on YouTube. Watch again.

I said possibility of four. There was the handball one you mentioned and two challenges from Yaya that were debatable. You also need glasses to read properly it seems.
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Re: 2012-2013 Discussion Thread for La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, Ligue 1, etc

I think the fixed champions league game in England has to be Chelsea vs Barcelona in 2009.. The ref was obviously bribed after he turned down 5 blatant penalties.
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People mentioning the Chelsea/Barca game as the possible one because of the non-penalties, but an extra reason to fan the flames is the fact that the ref retired shortly afterwards claiming it was because of death threats.

Or maybe it was because he was set up for life with the pay-off he got from fixing the game.

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It wouldn't surprise me if it was actually the Chelsea VS Napoli game from last season, The Comorra do have a hand in pretty much everything in Naples so Match Fixing wouldn't surprise me

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Why would potential Napoli fans want their team out of the Champions League?
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It was in the area (Malouda one). Get glasses. Go on YouTube. Watch again.

I said possibility of four. There was the handball one you mentioned and two challenges from Yaya that were debatable. You also need glasses to read properly it seems.
The fall was in the area but the foul was just outside it. Both Malouda's feet are outside the box as the foul is made.

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The fall was in the area but the foul was just outside it. Both Malouda's feet are outside the box as the foul is made.
He still had hold of Malouda in the box. The foul occurred in both areas. Therefore, you give the foul to where it last happened. In the bloody box.

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It wasn't a continuous obstruction. It was one obstruction, the outstretched arm. Malouda hit the arm while his feet were outside the box. If I get kicked just outside the box (again, singular obstruction), lose my balance but hobble into the box before falling over, it doesn't make it a penalty. However if there is a continuous shirt pull that starts outside the area, but the attacker continues into the box, all the while being pulled, then once in the box he could go down and it would be a penalty. So there you go.

You just need to watch the game clearly without listening to the racist undercurrent of Andy Gray and you might watch the game with an untainted view.
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