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Old 01-27-2013, 01:22 PM   #2531 (permalink)
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Their records aren't far from others, yet no other player comes close to the goals per game ratio of Messi in the worlds most elite competition, the Champions League, and very few players go close to Ronaldo's goal per game in any competition with Real Madrid.

I can understand how its hard to see the game transcends. I've seen the people on goal.com typing in and believing the same stuff. So I understand your mindset here. But you are slightly adrift from reality if you truely believe there are players capable of scoring more than Ronaldo or Messi in La Liga. Falcao doesn't. Villa, Higuain, Benzema, Soldado doesn't. Gomez, oh dear God, wouldn't. He has no pace, he doesn't hold the ball for very long. Hes extremely one dimensional. I don't think van Persie would, neither Rooney.

Lets put it down to this, if Falcao can't, no one can. The only way you can dispute that is if you haven't watched Falcao play. Messi & Ronaldo are in leagues of their own.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:26 PM   #2532 (permalink)
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4 goals for Lionel Messi!
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:33 PM   #2533 (permalink)
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Their records aren't far from others, yet no other player comes close to the goals per game ratio of Messi in the worlds most elite competition, the Champions League, and very few players go close to Ronaldo's goal per game in any competition with Real Madrid.

I can understand how its hard to see the game transcends. I've seen the people on goal.com typing in and believing the same stuff. So I understand your mindset here. But you are slightly adrift from reality if you truely believe there are players capable of scoring more than Ronaldo or Messi in La Liga. Falcao doesn't. Villa, Higuain, Benzema, Soldado doesn't. Gomez, oh dear God, wouldn't. He has no pace, he doesn't hold the ball for very long. Hes extremely one dimensional. I don't think van Persie would, neither Rooney.

Lets put it down to this, if Falcao can't, no one can. The only way you can dispute that is if you haven't watched Falcao play. Messi & Ronaldo are in leagues of their own.
Then explain to me this. How it is then that Gomez with no pace and no ability to hold up the ball can outscore Action Man in the Champions League?

Let me guess, Champions League is not up to the standard of La Liga.

I'm afraid that you're the one whose adrift of reality. The reality is that La Liga has the worse depth out of any of the top leagues and that a number of guys (Mario Gomez included) would comfortably score 35 league goals a season over there.

And don't try and patronize me with your "mindset" business when you yourself don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

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Old 01-27-2013, 01:39 PM   #2534 (permalink)
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Messi's got 4. He just loves showing up Ronaldo doesn't he? Ronny gets a hatrick, and Messi goes one better.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:12 PM   #2535 (permalink)
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We have conceded an outrageous 1 goal in 9 away games this year in the league. Mandzukic and Muller keep scoring.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:20 PM   #2536 (permalink)
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Then explain to me this. How it is then that Gomez with no pace and no ability to hold up the ball can outscore Action Man in the Champions League?

Let me guess, Champions League is not up to the standard of La Liga.

I'm afraid that you're the one whose adrift of reality. The reality is that La Liga has the worse depth out of any of the top leagues and that a number of guys (Mario Gomez included) would comfortably score 35 league goals a season over there.

And don't try and patronize me with your "mindset" business when you yourself don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.
Spent too much time thinking of something to counter it, only to realise what I've said can be picked off. Frustrating.

Its very simple why Gomez, or any other striker can't or hasn't scored more than 35 goals in La Liga. Because the last person that isn't Messi or Ronaldo, was a Mexican in 1990.

Why hasn't Ronaldo done better in the Champions League? God knows, I've thought it through enough. So, you'll get that.

But a number of guys, including Diego Forlan, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Brazilian Ronaldo, David Villa, hasn't scored more than 35 goals. Wheres the guarantee that Gomez could? Its hypothetical. When Ronaldo or Messi aren't playing, there isn't exactly another player stepping up and providing the same amount of goals in their team.

And it is a mindset. Its based entirely on hypotheticals. Because Gomez scores more than Ronaldo in the Champions League, he _should_ be capable? Hypothetical. The reality is, there are better players around that hasn't.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:26 PM   #2537 (permalink)
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I think this is where we're losing communication. I don't consider Gomez to be on Messi or Ronaldo's level. I wouldn't even put him in a list of top 10 strikers. But he is a much better goalscorer than you are giving him credit for. In the past two seasons of the champions league I believe he has a goal per game ratio. If he can do that at the highest club level I don't understand why he wouldn't be able to keep up with Ronaldo in La Liga. The game may have changed but there are still players in the vein of Gomez who can do nothing for ninety percent of the match and then pop up and nab a goal. It was exactly what he did against Portugal in the Euros and Madrid in the champions league, first leg.

Even accounting for Gomez matching Ronaldo in the league however, I would still rate him exactly the same as before. It's not all about the goals but when you score them and as far as I'm concerned Ronaldo and Drogba were the two most important goalscorers of 2012.

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Old 01-27-2013, 03:13 PM   #2538 (permalink)
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The reality is that La Liga has the worse depth out of any of the top leagues.
Please explain how.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:32 PM   #2539 (permalink)
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I just have. Messi and Ronaldo should score a lot more goals in Europe based on their goalscoring success in La Liga. The fact that they don't and that someone like Gomez can outscore Ronaldo in the champions league proves that the spanish league has poor depth. Either that or Gomez just happens to be more prolific against better teams and I don't think that's the case.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:44 PM   #2540 (permalink)
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I agree with your point Henry but Gomez isn't the best example for this season because he's only played two games in the CL as he's been hurt, he does have a goal though.
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