[Cookie Monster]

Superb ball from Xavi, easy for Messi

[Desecrated]

If you watch the league, you'll see the two top players are the ones who are the team they play for. Barcelona aren't exactly very good up front without Messi, Real don't get very far without Ronaldo. And to say Muller would of scored 100 is ridiculous. Is Muller a complete player, who can run with the ball glued at his feet, capable of absolute crazy tekkers, pace and strength? I don't know, and I doubt it. Falcao is the only player getting close to them in numbers, and he is an absolute beast. He is the total striker.

[Kiz]

hypothetical situations are impossible to argue.

if my aunty etc etc.

[Henry Hill]

It was more down to the fact that I don't rate him at all and Ronaldo and Messi are two of the best goal scorers of all time so you'd expect them to do considerably better accordingly.

They do better because they play in a league with no depth whatsoever. Gomez would score more goals than Ronaldo in La Liga, not that it would make him a better player. The obsession with goals in minor league matches is embarrassing.

And to say Muller would of scored 100 is ridiculous. Is Muller a complete player, who can run with the ball glued at his feet, capable of absolute crazy tekkers, pace and strength? I don't know, and I doubt it.

When did I say that Muller was a complete player? He wasn't. He was the greatest poacher the game has ever seen and a superior goalscorer to either Messi or Ronaldo. I meant that he would comfortably score 100 goals in a calendar year if he had played in modern day La Liga. Don't doubt a man who scored more goals than games for his country. Neither Messi nor Ronaldo will ever touch that accomplishment.

[Desecrated]

Higuain and Benzema are better strikers than Gomez. Do they score 50+ times a year?

[T-C]

Originally Posted by Henry Hill

They do better because they play in a league with no depth whatsoever. Gomez would score more goals than Ronaldo in La Liga, not that it would make him a better player. The obsession with goals in minor league matches is embarrassing.

I'd argue that La Liga has the most depth of the leagues as far as quality is concerned. Please explain how La Liga has less depth than the Bundesliga for instance.

[Desecrated]

Originally Posted by Henry Hill

When did I say that Muller was a complete player? He wasn't. He was the greatest poacher the game has ever seen and a superior goalscorer to either Messi or Ronaldo. I meant that he would comfortably score 100 goals in a calendar year if he had played in modern day La Liga. Don't doubt a man who scored more goals than games for his country. Neither Messi nor Ronaldo will ever touch that accomplishment.

Its truely ridiculous to suggest that he would comfortably do it. No he wouldn't. There is no poacher in todays game that actively excels. The only one resembling the movement of a poacher, is van Persie. And I wouldn't consider him to be one.

[Seabs]

Gomez would score more goals in La Liga then Ronaldo? Ok. Defences leak goals in nearly every league these days where there's quality attacking teams. They score buckets of goals in Europe too and Ronaldo scored plenty for Utd.

[Henry Hill]

Originally Posted by Desecrated

Higuain and Benzema are better strikers than Gomez. Do they score 50+ times a year?

I don't know what this has to do with the debate. I'm fully aware that Messi and Ronaldo are better players than the likes of Mario Gomez. Far, far better players. Two of the best of all time without question.

But their goalscoring abilities have been overhyped because of the league they play in. They aren't that far ahead at all (I'm talking about goals not ability) when it comes to Europe yet they both nearly always play roughly the same amount of games as other top strikers.

Its truely ridiculous to suggest that he would comfortably do it. No he wouldn't.

Not ridiculous at all. He would do it nearly every year in fact. He scored ten goals in a world cup. The man simply never missed when he had a shot at goal.

Re: Gomez vs Ronaldo

Gomez has outscored Ronaldo in the past 2 editions of the champions league despite playing less games.

I don't see why he would struggle to score more than him in La Liga where the opposition is nowhere near as severe as in Europe.

If Ronaldo was a good a goalscorer as you say he is then he would comfortably be able to outscore Gomez in Europe just like he manages a superior ratio in league duty.

[Desecrated]

Their records aren't far from others, yet no other player comes close to the goals per game ratio of Messi in the worlds most elite competition, the Champions League, and very few players go close to Ronaldo's goal per game in any competition with Real Madrid.

I can understand how its hard to see the game transcends. I've seen the people on goal.com typing in and believing the same stuff. So I understand your mindset here. But you are slightly adrift from reality if you truely believe there are players capable of scoring more than Ronaldo or Messi in La Liga. Falcao doesn't. Villa, Higuain, Benzema, Soldado doesn't. Gomez, oh dear God, wouldn't. He has no pace, he doesn't hold the ball for very long. Hes extremely one dimensional. I don't think van Persie would, neither Rooney.

Lets put it down to this, if Falcao can't, no one can. The only way you can dispute that is if you haven't watched Falcao play. Messi & Ronaldo are in leagues of their own.