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Old 12-10-2012, 08:11 PM   #1931 (permalink)
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We disagree on the matter but I'm not sure why it's even relevant to the debate. The fact is Maradona had at the very least one brilliant World Cup (I believe he had two but whatever) Messi still needs one imo to be on the same level because as I've already stated I don't think there's too much between them when it comes to club performances.
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:17 PM   #1932 (permalink)
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We disagree on the matter but I'm not sure why it's even relevant to the debate. The fact is Maradona had at the very least one brilliant World Cup (in which most teams were average, it was set in his continent and the team was built around him) Messi still needs one imo to be on the same level because as I've already stated I don't think there's too much between them when it comes to club performances.
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:21 PM   #1933 (permalink)
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Having an average team built around you is really not much of an advantage.

Your downgrading of his international career is hysterical. In 86 he scored 5 goals and provided 5 assists. To do that in a World Cup setting is remarkable.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:43 AM   #1934 (permalink)
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Just because internationals were relevant, does not mean they are relevant today. And they aren't. There is no benchmark in football that states he must achieve this to be 'GOAT'. And like I said earlier in the thread, people who actually watch Messi 2-3 or more times a month, every month, will know he is the real deal. The quick 90 minutes in the middle of April does not count.

Also, in terms of consistency, Messi outdoes Diego. His record improves every year, and hes already up on goals this season if basing his goal ratio on averages.
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:14 AM   #1935 (permalink)
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Just because internationals were relevant, does not mean they are relevant today. And they aren't. There is no benchmark in football that states he must achieve this to be 'GOAT'. And like I said earlier in the thread, people who actually watch Messi 2-3 or more times a month, every month, will know he is the real deal. The quick 90 minutes in the middle of April does not count.

Also, in terms of consistency, Messi outdoes Diego. His record improves every year, and hes already up on goals this season if basing his goal ratio on averages.

I'm afraid you're living in a fantasy world. And as I already mentioned it's not all about goals. For starters Maradona played a large part of his career in Italy which was renowned for impeccable defending. His influence went way beyond hitting the back of the net, he was the inspiration that made an ordinary team achieve extraordinary things.
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:41 AM   #1936 (permalink)
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I'm not discreditting Maradona's club achievements. But I am definately not bluffing on internationals being second rate, 'thing of the past'. They aren't a measure of talent in modern days. And to be frank, they were only a big deal in the past because their coverage far exceeded the European Cups and the domestic game in other countries.

You are eventually going to realise the latter, right?
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:50 AM   #1937 (permalink)
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:58 PM   #1940 (permalink)
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