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DwayneAustin · 12-10-2012, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cookie Monster

Zlatan Ibrahimovic on Messi's 86 goal record: "I would get 90 goals if I were given penalties as referees give them to Barca." Oh Zlatan.

**Seabs** · 12-10-2012, 07:32 AM

Samoon · 12-10-2012, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cookie Monster

I hate the World Cup talk. It's not even as prestigious as it once was. Champions League is the competition to compete in nowadays and he's proven himself at that level many and many of times. That will be the next record he breaks.

The world cup is still the most prestigious cup in football. That's not even debatable.

**Renegade™** · 12-10-2012, 08:12 AM

tbf if Ibra played in the Barca team now without Messi and they made him the focal point, he'd probably score a fuckload too.

Cookie Monster · 12-10-2012, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Samoon

The world cup is still the most prestigious cup in football. That's not even debatable.

In your opinion. I bet a lot of players would rather win the Champions League. Times have changed. If Messi don't win the World Cup it won't change anything. The argument of "oh but he never won a World Cup or took his team to a World Cup final etc." bullshit would be invalid. Who cares. He's won Barca 2 Champions Leagues, that is more important.

I don't even get excited for the World Cup anymore. I much prefer the Euros

Samoon · 12-10-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cookie Monster

In your opinion. I bet a lot of players would rather win the Champions League. Times have changed. If Messi don't win the World Cup it won't change anything. The argument of "oh but he never won a World Cup or took his team to a World Cup final etc." bullshit would be invalid. Who cares. He's won Barca 2 Champions Leagues, that is more important.

I don't even get excited for the World Cup anymore. I much prefer the Euros

I'm not really sure if that's true, World cup is still the most important cup in football and many players would prefer to win that. Maybe some Europeans but defintely not the majority. World cup happens every 4 years and the champions league happens every year which kind of makes the World cup more prestigious.

It won't be invalid, if he wins a world cup, I don't think anyone would disagree with him being the GOAT. If he at least performs in a World cup, I will consider him the GOAT, until then it is Maradona imo.

Btw 1 world cup>2 champions league.

nazzac · 12-10-2012, 09:25 AM

I don't think Messi has to win a world cup. He just needs to perform at a world cup, which he hasn't done yet. He was poor by his standards in South Africa.

In Brazil 2014 or Russia 2018, he'll have to perform well, for me to consider him the GOAT ahead of Maradona

kingfunkel · 12-10-2012, 10:39 AM

He doesn't have to perform on any stage! Does proving yourself in a tournament make you any better? I always thought if you're the best on the football you're the best. Unless you take a defensive stand point then it's Beckenbauer.

People talk about Maradona carrying a team but times have changed, in no game did he ever have 3-4 players around him once he touched the ball.

It's a competition, where luck & timing is more important than skill. Had Maradona not done the "hand of god" and didn't beat England would he not be considered as good because he never would of won a world cup? How about if Pele didn't have 10 of the best players in the world around him at the time.

It's all about timing, had pele been in this current Brazil team I'm not sure he'd win a world cup. If Messi was in the Argentina of '86 he would of went on to win the world cup. As Argentina were average but so were a lot of the countries at the time.

Had Messi of chosen to be Spanish and won the world cup in 2010, he would get "he can't win without Xavi/Iniesta" it's a losing battle. When he's retired and the new generation are looking back on players, he'd be looked at as the greatest and every Argentine player will be compared to him instead of Maradona.

Anyone remember the comparisons to Stanley Matthews? No because it's a different generation so they compare the newer players to '66-'12.

JasonLives · 12-10-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cookie Monster

Zlatan Ibrahimovic on Messi's 86 goal record: "I would get 90 goals if I were given penalties as referees give them to Barca." Oh Zlatan.

He never said that. It was just a joke tweet from a reporter that everyone took seriously.

Cookie Monster · 12-10-2012, 11:00 AM

He probably is thinking it though.