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Old 12-09-2012, 03:47 PM   #1861 (permalink)
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He's not even the best Chelsea CB of the last 10 years.
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:48 PM   #1862 (permalink)
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Tough Sol in his prime was amazing.
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:49 PM   #1863 (permalink)
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Right, kind of expected that response tbh.I was taking longevity into account, i.e i wouldn't count Ronaldo in that because he was only great for the first couple of seasons of the last 10 years.

I wouldn't have Cannavaro, think he's a bit overrated because of those 7 games, obviously a great defender though. Wouldn't Have Maldini because of the timing, Overall through his career he was obviously better than Terry but in the last 10 years he has had a few seasons cut short and missed a few entirely following retirement. Terry has been a consistent rock in defence. Slightly the Same argument for Vidic, doesn't have Terry's longevity despite being better than him at times. As for Rio, I just think Terry is better defender overall.
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:53 PM   #1864 (permalink)
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and it gets worse...

Your excuses for how Terry is better than Puyol, Lucio and the GOAT Nesta please.
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:55 PM   #1865 (permalink)
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Ferdinand has always been better than Terry. That's no shame, because at a time, Rio was the best defender in the world. People are acting as though Terry is some scrub though. Couldn't be further from the truth. He's not or probably has never been elite, but he was a fantastic defender during the Mourinho days and a very good one post.
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Old 12-09-2012, 04:01 PM   #1866 (permalink)
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Man, nobody is ever beating Lucio imo.

That guy was (peak) the Falcao of defending.

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Old 12-09-2012, 04:04 PM   #1867 (permalink)
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and it gets worse...

Your excuses for how Terry is better than Puyol, Lucio and the GOAT Nesta please.
Puyol, I don't really have one, he's a fantastic defender and has the trophies to show it, I'd accept putting him in, I just prefer Terry.

Lucio, I didn't see much of between Leverkusen's Champions league run in 02 and Inter, missed pretty much his entire Bayern career so I can't really comment.

Nesta, I didn't say Terry was better than Nesta and I'm not going to now.


also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFPro#...IFPro_World_XI Only 3 players have been in the world XI 5 times, Terry, Messi and Ronaldo. Not bad company.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:16 PM   #1868 (permalink)
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For my money Messi is only 2nd to Garrincha.

You can bring the "he hasn't won a world cup" into all you like. Winning a tournament means nothing, does it make you a better player if you win a world cup? Is Guivarc'h better than Shearer? Of course not.

If he wins a world cup will he magically become faster, more skilful, a better finisher, a better header, a better passer, a better tackler? Fuck it Fontaine has scored most goals in a single world cup, so he's the greatest that ever lived because YOLO!

"he's hasn't played in England" Garrincha/Pele didn't play in Europe, Maradona didn't play in England, Di Stefano didn't play in England, Eusebio didn't play in England, Kempes didn't play in England, Zidane, Beckenbauer, do I need to go on? So why is it an arguement with Messi?
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:31 PM   #1869 (permalink)
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The whole World Cup argument is retarded anyway and only really used due to the fact that he plays for a country which generally should be competing for the title. Stick him in a small nation that no one ever to compete and that argument would never be thrown around.

As for the Terry stuff least I Curry backtrakced on his Puyol stuff. Terry is a solid defender but no way would he may it in a team of the last decade.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:15 PM   #1870 (permalink)
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How about just performing at a world cup instead? Like Diego did two tournaments in a row. Maradona is definitely the GOAT still until Messi fully replicates his club form at international level. People can argue all they want about how the Argentine team is badly managed or whatever, fact is Maradona won a world cup with a fairly average national side. That and what he did at Napoli requires a once in a lifetime type of genius. Messi is not there yet but of all the current players he is probably the only one with the potential to reach that level.
Rather huehuehue. 12 goals in 9 internationals this year for Argentina. Diego Maradona hasn't won the Champions League, twice even. Or broke goalscoring records of such pedigree.

People that make these type of sweeping comments of 'internationals/Stoke' against Messi, really do not watch him outside of the occasional match in the European Champions League. And, well fuck it, if people did, they still wouldn't make those sweeping comments. They'd see the hype. It isn't aimed at you, there are people who still think this way.

Throw in 'World Cup is invalid', already backed up by posts made earlier in the thread. It isn't exactly his fault, that a country of Argentina's size and stature, hasn't produced class defenders or goalkeepers.

Hes 25 years old. And he is already on his way to being far, far beyond his closest rival to the best player in the world. When hes 35, he'll have plenty more medals, plenty more records and hundreds, maybe even a thousand goals in competitive football.
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