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Old 06-18-2012, 07:53 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Christiano Ronaldo isn't a massive twat and doesn't have a huge inferiority complex relating to Lionel Messi (not my opinions but I'm sure some people think it).
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:08 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Football:

John Terry is a brave but mediocre talent who was only ever world class when paired with world class defenders.

England never had a golden generation. They had 3-4 world class players and a ton of overrated ones alongside them.

Messi can score 1,000, goals for Barcelona but must shine with Argentina at a world cup to become the GOAT. Maradona did so with an Argentina team that had nowhere near the depth of talent as the current squad.

Gerd Muller was a far superior striker to Pele. Loads of Pele's goals were scored in bullshit leagues whereas Muller scored more goals than games at freaking international level, won the world cup and European championships scoring tons of important goals in both triumphs and was part of one of the greatest club teams in the history of football.


Tennis:

Henman was not a choker, he simply got outclassed by everyone (Grosjean, Hewitt, Sampras) except from Ivanisevic who then took his game to another level in the wimbledon final against Pat Rafter. Why everyone thinks Henman could have comfortably defeated a two grand slam champion in the final is strange to say the least.

Hewitt was a fantastic talent with a great arsenal of weapons who only started to slip down the rankings when he was constantly drawn to play Federer in grand slams and appeared to lose his previously indestructible spirit.

Justine Henin would now be chasing Graf's Open era Grand Slam record if she hadn't oddly retired at a young age. She had begun to own Serena Williams on all surfaces and was only a slam or two behind her rival before she initially called it quits in 2008.
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:17 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I see you're drawing comparisons between Messi and Maradona and the widely stated opinion that Maradona carried Argentina to World Cup glory. The thing is, that was a different era. The modern game is by far a more intricate game with there being an abundance of phenomenal players. That being said it's impossible for any player in the modern era to carry their team through a major tournament because the opposition is so fierce.
The opposition back then was actually incredibly fierce and it is possible to carry a team to glory, it's just there is no player like Maradona in the modern era. Messi is the only player close to him.

Maradona also did it for Napoli in Serie A for years back when Serie A was head and shoulders above the other leagues in regards to depth.
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:28 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Hewitt's problems were more due to the fact that his style of tennis was heavily dependant on physical capabilities rather than skill. So when he began to get older, more injured and slow down it took a big part of his game away.
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:35 AM   #45 (permalink)
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There is an element of that but people underestimate his skill imo. He just didn't have the tools to compete with Federer and was nearly always drawn to play him in Grand slams and he was also a really underrated clay courter who unfortunately encountered Nadal four times on the surface in what must have been a screwjob from the authorities who hated his attitude. The timing of his return against big servers was awesome and some of his lobs were breathtaking in their execution.
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Christiano Ronaldo isn't a massive twat and doesn't have a huge inferiority complex relating to Lionel Messi (not my opinions but I'm sure some people think it).


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Football:

John Terry is a brave but mediocre talent who was only ever world class when paired with world class defenders.

England never had a golden generation. They had 3-4 world class players and a ton of overrated ones alongside them.

Messi can score 1,000, goals for Barcelona but must shine with Argentina at a world cup to become the GOAT. Maradona did so with an Argentina team that had nowhere near the depth of talent as the current squad.

Gerd Muller was a far superior striker to Pele. Loads of Pele's goals were scored in bullshit leagues whereas Muller scored more goals than games at freaking international level, won the world cup and European championships scoring tons of important goals in both triumphs and was part of one of the greatest club teams in the history of football.


Tennis:

Henman was not a choker, he simply got outclassed by everyone (Grosjean, Hewitt, Sampras) except from Ivanisevic who then took his game to another level in the wimbledon final against Pat Rafter. Why everyone thinks Henman could have comfortably defeated a two grand slam champion in the final is strange to say the least.

Hewitt was a fantastic talent with a great arsenal of weapons who only started to slip down the rankings when he was constantly drawn to play Federer in grand slams and appeared to lose his previously indestructible spirit.

Justine Henin would now be chasing Graf's Open era Grand Slam record if she hadn't oddly retired at a young age. She had begun to own Serena Williams on all surfaces and was only a slam or two behind her rival before she initially called it quits in 2008.
I actually agree with all of these. None of them really strike me as unpopular either (apart from Muller > Pele), particularly the tennis ones. Serena on top of her game beats Henin though imo, it's just a shame the standard of women's tennis has declined so rapidly in the past 3-4 years, the era of the Williams sisters against the Belgians was far more interesting, I couldn't tell you the winner of most women's slams in the past couple of years, pretty sure there's been a couple of grandslamless number ones in that time too (the manly Russian and Woziniacki).

I'll post some of my own later.
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Muller better than Pele? I can only assume you've seen very little footage of Pele. When Pele first emerged, no one had ever seen a talent quite like him. I actually don't like him at all as a man, and I do agree that FIFA do trump him up a lot and perhaps make him seem better than he was (as his peak was actually earlier on in his career, and somewhat short lived after injury took away his blistering pace, ala fat Ronaldo), but there is no doubting his extraordinary talent.

Also worth noting that back in the 70s, the quality in European football wasn't that much better than in South America.

I suspect you think your being quite 'cool' in having that opinion and not believing in 'FIFA's agenda/conspiracy' but really your just being a massive idiot. You can ask any football expert worth their salt who have seen a lot of each of Muller and Pele, ask them who's better and there is only one answer. I rate Muller quite highly too, but come on. Pele was legitimately an amazing player, and the only forwards that can really hold up compared to him are Maradona, Di Stefano and potentially Messi.

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Yeah, tbf to Pele (and I really don't like him) the Brazilian league was said to be strong during his playing days.
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:34 AM   #49 (permalink)
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This is pretty tough actually.

Football:

Andres Iniesta is the second best player of the last 15-20 years, behind Messi. He's influenced far more games than the next best (Zidane) ever managed and has for the last 4-5 years and will continue to in the future dominate European, Domestic and International football with Spain and Barcelona sides who both look far more vulnerable without him, particularly Spain.

Cricket:

50 overs is a redundant format and the World Cup should be scrapped to accomodate for the popularity and short term thrill of Twenty20 and the prestige, history, and widely regarded higher level of Test Cricket.

Shane Warne and Brian Lara are the best cricketers of the last 20 years, not Sachin Tendulkar.

Tennis:

Rafa Nadal, if he isn't already, will be the GOAT by the end of his career, simply because he's a better and more successful player than Federer for at least the last 4 years and totally dominated his other rival (Djokovic) up until the beginning of last season. This won't be an unpopular opinion though once he passes 16 slams.
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If Brazil had a national league at that point in time, it would have easily been the best league in the World. However the leagues in Brazil were regionised, but the Paulista, which is where Santos and Pele played, was the best. You'd have to say that the Paulista was inferior to most of the big European Leagues back then, but it was still decent. There was a Brazilian Cup for a national competition, and Santos won that 5 times in a row with Pele. Pele would have won loads more at club level too, however Santos and Brazil used to tour the World with Pele because he had such a reputation, and they made loads of money from friendly matches all around the globe. Santos would pull out of many competitions to allow them them to do this.

Pele also won 3 World Cups, something which no other player has managed. I know 62 was more of Garrincha World Cup, but nevertheless I don't think any other single player has influenced the World Cup quite as much as Pele has.
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