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post #541 of 6756 (permalink) Old 07-09-2012, 08:03 AM
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I like Judy... but your right, it is shocking that you see her supporting her son during matches, especially in grand slam finals...

No, it is shocking when the TV producers feel the need to zoom on her gurning face every time Murray does anything vaguely noteworthy.


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post #542 of 6756 (permalink) Old 07-09-2012, 08:18 AM
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Especially when there's his girlfriend sat there in front of her ugly fucking mug. I'd have one camera fixed permanently on her. The numerous shots of the Middleton sisters was appreciated though yesterday.


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It wasn't that he was mentally fragile. Murray was playing at the top of his game and hanging with Federer in the first two sets. Unforyunately for Murray, Federer had another gear within himself and once he went into that gear Murray was at a big disadvantage.

It's not about being mentally fragile or choking. It's just about not being as good. Case in point is that he wasn't dropping games by errors. It was immense shots from Federer, especially when he broke him to take the second (or third?) set.
It's not that he choked but when Federer stepped it up once the roof was closed at the start of the third set and was dominating Murray, you could see the frustration coming out of Murray. He was letting it get the better of him at times. You don't see that from Rafa or Federer. Novak does sometimes but he comes back at another level which Murray simply doesn't have in him unfortunately. It's why he can't make that next step.

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Murray had actually played a great match. He was playing great tennis in the first set. Federer made it look easier for him because he was making so many unforced errors in the first and second set. Murray was fine. His mental state was not an issue at all. He did not choke like he did in the other slam finals. Federer is just better than him and he upped his game in the last two sets which is the reason why Murray lost. Murray could not handle that. Closing the roof did hurt Murray though since Federer is one of the best if not the best indoor player of all time.





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It wasn't that he was mentally fragile. Murray was playing at the top of his game and hanging with Federer in the first two sets. Unforyunately for Murray, Federer had another gear within himself and once he went into that gear Murray was at a big disadvantage.

It's not about being mentally fragile or choking. It's just about not being as good. Case in point is that he wasn't dropping games by errors. It was immense shots from Federer, especially when he broke him to take the second (or third?) set.
It wasn't a complete mental meltdown like past finals, but the old Murray was creeping in - the talking to himself, the look of despair towards the box, the overexaggeration of an injury (which is a bad sign, you can't let the opponent take a sniff of a possible injury). Murray played great tennis for 2 and a bit sets, but his mental fragility to hold it with the top guy cost him once more. Some time out to reflect with Lendl, a similar showing during the Olympics (where no doubt Rafa and Novak will be looking to reaffirm their dominance), and then you have the US Open to build towards, a surface where Murray could do a lot of damage.

Murray is close enough to a slam if he's good enough. Iron out a few little blemishes in his game, and he'll be right up there. The way Fed stepped up yesterday though, I doubt anyone would have stopped him getting #7.

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Especially when there's his girlfriend sat there in front of her ugly fucking mug. I'd have one camera fixed permanently on her. The numerous shots of the Middleton sisters was appreciated though yesterday.

It's not that he choked but when Federer stepped it up once the roof was closed at the start of the third set and was dominating Murray, you could see the frustration coming out of Murray. He was letting it get the better of him at times. You don't see that from Rafa or Federer. Novak does sometimes but he comes back at another level which Murray simply doesn't have in him unfortunately. It's why he can't make that next step.
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I dont think anyone can blame his mental state for that loss because I think mentally he was pretty great.

He won the first set, was playing strongly in the second set and should have won it, Federer won it and Murray didn't lose his cool he actually played a very good third set, he didnt give up games easily and fought for every point. The guy wasn't giving up, he was chasing balls down left right and centre the entire match. That's not what I call mentally breaking down. He didn't lose his cool. He got frustrated on a couple of points...so what? He didn't let it affect his game. Not breaking Fed in the second set didnt cause him to lose a succession of four games like he might have done previously. That was a massive improvement from Andy Murray.

As I said, once the roof was closed, the match got taken out his hands. Federer is the greatest grass court player, and probably the greatest player of all time. When he's on, on a grass court, there's little anyone can do. Murray did a heck of a job hanging in there and fighting the way he did. He's shown great improvement on the grass and he'll continue getting better. I think he'll end up taking this slam final as far more of a positive experience than the other three, and he's learn and get better from it. I think he'll win a slam at some point, probably a few.

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Murray also injured his left thigh or somewhere there, during the match.
Of course he did... He seems to have a new injury every single time he makes a mistake or loses an important point, conveniently enough.

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totally agree with the above point, I even said to my friends
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Well he did take a hard fall during the match did you not see it?
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You don't get injured every time you fall over. Murray always exaggerates the smallest of knocks, especially when he loses the point. He was fucking terrible for it at the French holding some part of his body after he lost a point.

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Not suprised to see Ferrer move up, but i am suprised that he's ahead of Tsonga, as Tsonga got further than Ferrer.

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