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That result makes Kei's loss hurt even more

Murray may be the new number 2 by the end of the week, but the big question is whether he can stay there during Clay season which is no doubt his worst surface. I'm interested to see Murray on Clay this year, as well as a match-up with Nadal at some point.

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Oh shit my outright bet on Murray is looking good now

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Murray will still do well on Clay, he's improved heaps
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I think Murray will turn out to be far better this year on clay than last year.

Sure, it isn't his best surface. But he's improved a great deal over the past year, and his new style of play will be far more suited to it then last year. He's got incredibly good defensive skills so people will find it even harder than usual to make winners against him, and he's also far more aggressive so he's far more likely to create winners and errors also. I expect good things from him.

I am interested in a Nadal/Murray clash, or even a Nadal/Djokovic clash because it'll really show just how good Nadal is now and will show if Nadal is right in there with the top three, or if he's more like in a position similar to Murray from 2009 where he was number 4 but wasn't as much of a threat as the top three at that point. It'll either but Murray/Djokovic at the top with Nadal in number three, or he'll be as good as them and those three will be dominant going forward.

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We'll wait and see with Murray on Clay, but despite being a defensive player Murray does struggle the most on slow surfaces, so i'm interested to see if Murray 2.0 will be better on Clay. I don't see him winning RG at all though. I might be wrong, but Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Del Potro and even Ferrer are better clay courters from what i've seen. But despite me not really liking his game or his on court attitude, i hope he does improve on Clay so there are more contenders outside rafa & Nole.

I hope Nadal gets into the mix rather than be a step behind Murray/Djokovic. Tennis needs as many players fighting for Grand Slams as possible. I also hope Federer doesn't drop off, and Del Potro can get near them too. (he's beaten Murray-Djokovic b2b so he seems to be edging closer)Rafa has looked good since his comeback with with no points to defend after Wimbledon, i think he'll finish 2nd or 3rd in the rankings. I feel that the top 3 will be Nole,Murray and Rafa.

I just hope Federer stays with them, and Del Po makes some ground and then the tour will become extremely interesting. Del Potro is the only one capable of catching those 4 as Ferrer sucks against them most of the time, Berdych isn't strong enough mentally against Nole & Rafa, and Tsonga seems to be falling further and further behind.

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Yeh I don't see Murray winning RG. I think he can be good on clay, I remember during Djokovic's god like run in 2011 he so very nearly ended 'the streak' against him in a match on clay, I think the semi finals so he can be very good for sure, he just needs to be consistently good. I think he might win a title on clay, or get to a final or two, but I don't think he'd be a massive contender for the clay slam.

I'd quite like Nadal to be as good as Djokovic and Murray, but time will tell. He's proven he's as good as, if not better than everyone else, he just hasn't faced one of the (real) top two yet which will be incredibly interesting to see. I wish it wasn't the case, and I know people have said many times before that Federer is on his way out and have been proven wrong, but I don't see him being as good as the guys at the top anymore. The way Nadal swept Federer aside in IW was pretty telling to me. Also the way he's scheduled his year now, he's more interested on winning titles than a ranking. By the end of the year I'd say he'll be at number four or five...maybe worse.

I agree with you on Del Potro though, I think he's pretty much the only one who can make a dent in the top four at the moment. He's proven he CAN beat Murray and Djokovic, he just needs to prove he can do it now in a slam situation and that he can do it consistently. I think Berdych has the ability, but mentally he isn't as good and as you say Tsonga is kind of disappearing. He's got the game but he's so unreliable and unpredictable.

Does Murray and Djokovic being number one and two make them on opposite sides of the draw in all tournaments?

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Pretty sure it would if they were the top 2 seeds. Can't see Murray winning the French. Nadal and Djokovic are just better than him there and I don't think he will have improved on Clay to that degree and he'll almost definitely have to beat one of them.

Federer's definitely on the decline right now. He might still pull the odd great performance out at the back end of tournaments and win the odd match against the top 5 or 6 but I don't see him being a constant threat any more or even being top 3 come the end of the season. Djokovic and Murray tend to get past him these days and you'd imagine Nadal would more often than not from here on. Even the Del Potro's and Berdych's of the tour are coming out on top of him quite frequently now too.

Del Potro should make top 4 sooner rather than later. He's good enough and Federer is going down rather than up the rankings. No idea what the gap is between them points wise or what they have to defend though but if he's consistent he'll replace Federer long term rather than Ferrer or Berdych. Don't see him being a constant threat to win Slams though as long as Murray and Djokovic are as good as they are and Nadal's still around. It's hard to bet against Djokovic for any slam really so only the Murray's and Nadal's should be considered as feasible options to take a Slam from Novak right now. It's not that Del Potro isn't good enough to win another Slam, it's just that the players above him are so much better and so difficult to beat when they're on.

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1 Novak DJOKOVIC 13280
2 Roger FEDERER 8715
3 Andy MURRAY 8350
4 Rafael NADAL 6745
5 David FERRER 6630
6 Tomas BERDYCH 5010
7 Juan Martin DEL POTRO 4830
8 Jo-Wilfried TSONGA 3750
9 Janko TIPSAREVIC 3090
10 Richard GASQUET 2960

Unfortunately Del Po's got a way to go to catch Federer. Off the top of my head Fed's only got serious points to defend at Wimbledon. Ferrer needs to drop too. He's an embarrassment against Federer & Djokovic.
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1 Novak DJOKOVIC 13280
2 Roger FEDERER 8715
3 Andy MURRAY 8350
4 Rafael NADAL 6745
5 David FERRER 6630
6 Tomas BERDYCH 5010
7 Juan Martin DEL POTRO 4830
8 Jo-Wilfried TSONGA 3750
9 Janko TIPSAREVIC 3090
10 Richard GASQUET 2960

Unfortunately Del Po's got a way to go to catch Federer. Off the top of my head Fed's only got serious points to defend at Wimbledon. Ferrer needs to drop too. He's an embarrassment against Federer & Djokovic.
And Nadal. Out of the top 4, Murray is his best matchup and tbh Murray beats him off clay. Ferrer doesn't have the weapons to threaten the top guys really. Ferrer's best matchups on tour are power players as he has the ability to soak up and redirect power. Djokovic,Murray and Nadal are defenders whilst Federer is an attacking player, but not a power player. Hence why he always loses against the top 4 convincingly, but beats Tsonga, Del Po and Berdych in the same way.

I'll be suprised if Del Po doesn't take his place in the rankings this year.

In slams, Fed has the following points to defend...

SF at RG
W at Wimbledon
QF at US Open

Del Potro has...

QF at RG
RD4 at Wimbledon
QF at US Open

It could be interesting when you also factor in points from masters and such. I don't think it will be this year, but next year Juan could very well get to number 4.

Tsonga is a weird one atm. His level of play hasn't been as good as i expected but he's been winning matches he should whilst not playing well. I think it's fair to say he's in a league of his own atm. He's not on the level of the guys above him atm, but he's clearly ahead of the guys below him. If he doesn't improve his form then i see him finish number 8, with next year being very interesting.

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Dam Ferrer loses first set!
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