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Old 01-21-2013, 08:29 AM   #3391 (permalink)
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Ferrer is a good example of what i'm saying. The players behind him, Berdych, Tsonga, Del Potro are better ballstrikers and more talented players, but Ferrer gets to almost everything. Now do you think that Ferrer would get to everything if the courts were faster? Not likely
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Slow Hard courts are not good for any reason. I just don't see how Slow hard courts are the way to go. It favours Defensive players, and it causes injuries. Hard court should be balanced especially, seen as though most of the tour is spent on hard courts. Therefore it's balanced, and there is a decreasing chance of injuries.
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But defensive players are benefited in todays game, just as attacking players were in the 90's. The best athletes are rising to the top, whilst talented ball strikers are struggling because they can't hit through the surfaces. A big hitter or good ballstriker has to hit 4-5 perfect shots to hit a winner against a Murray or a Djokovic, and it's not on. Wawrinka played a blinder yesterday, but still couldn't win. Obviously, Murray & Djokovic are great defenders, but you can't seriously say that court speeds don't help them in some cases.
You're essentially saying that the court speeds are a big reason for Murray and Djokovic's success or Ferrer having more success than Del Potro. If Djokovic wins this slam then it'll be because of the courts because he would have lost to Wawrinka on a faster court according to you. The courts don't favour any player. They favour a strategy and how well that strategy is implemented. If you're using the wrong strategy and someone else is using the right strategy then guess who wins more often than not.
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:46 AM   #3392 (permalink)
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You're essentially saying that the court speeds are a big reason for Murray and Djokovic's success or Ferrer having more success than Del Potro. If Djokovic wins this slam then it'll be because of the courts because he would have lost to Wawrinka on a faster court according to you. The courts don't favour any player. They favour a strategy and how well that strategy is implemented. If you're using the wrong strategy and someone else is using the right strategy then guess who wins more often than not.
Thats not what i'm saying, even if it does come across that way. I'm saying that defensive players benefit more from these court speeds than offensive players. That doesn't mean that Murray, and Nole wouldn't be as successful if the courts were faster, and that players like Tsonga will go on to be more successful because i don't know that for certain. My point about Wawrinka was that he played a great match and played some great shots but still couldn't get through on occasions. It is partly to do with the court speeds, but also to do with Djokovic's great defence. I just used it as an example as to why some courts should be faster, just like the Berdych-Nadal video. You've taken that example way overboard.

I know what you are saying, and i agree in a sense. But if everyone applied the strategy to win in the modern era then most players would be Grinders, and that would be boring. It seems to me that your encouraging that that's the way to go.

And if you agree with me on that their should be a higher variety of courts, why are we arguing? If you think that, you agree with my point, and this arguing was pointless

BTW Del Potro is more successful than Ferrer. 1 slam > No Slam.
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Old 01-21-2013, 01:27 PM   #3393 (permalink)
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:16 PM   #3395 (permalink)
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Thats not what i'm saying, even if it does come across that way. I'm saying that defensive players benefit more from these court speeds than offensive players. That doesn't mean that Murray, and Nole wouldn't be as successful if the courts were faster, and that players like Tsonga will go on to be more successful because i don't know that for certain. My point about Wawrinka was that he played a great match and played some great shots but still couldn't get through on occasions. It is partly to do with the court speeds, but also to do with Djokovic's great defence. I just used it as an example as to why some courts should be faster, just like the Berdych-Nadal video. You've taken that example way overboard.

I know what you are saying, and i agree in a sense. But if everyone applied the strategy to win in the modern era then most players would be Grinders, and that would be boring. It seems to me that your encouraging that that's the way to go.

And if you agree with me on that their should be a higher variety of courts, why are we arguing? If you think that, you agree with my point, and this arguing was pointless

BTW Del Potro is more successful than Ferrer. 1 slam > No Slam.
Del Potro looks to be a one slam wonder.
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Del Potro looks to be a one slam wonder.
Too early to say either way tbh. He's only 24, so he's got time to win another slam, and he's perfectly capable as he's proven before.

Still it's 1 more slam than Ferrer is ever going to win
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Old 01-21-2013, 03:21 PM   #3397 (permalink)
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Roddick also only has one slam. At the time he was considered to be a multi slam winner. But never one more than one slam.

Why are you comparing Del Potro with Ferrer? I never mentioned Ferrer
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Roddick also only has one slam. At the time he was considered to be a multi slam winner. But never one more than one slam.

Why are you comparing Del Potro with Ferrer? I never mentioned Ferrer
I thought you were responding directly to my post. I was just kidding around really. Doesn't matter now anyways.

Well, Safin for a time was considered a 1 slam wonder after he got injured, but then he won the AO in 2005, so i wouldn't be quick to count Del Po out. Federer & Nadal won't be around for much longer, and Del Po is younger than Murray & Djokovic (albeit not by much). I'm not saying he'll deffo win another slam, i think it's just too early to say that Del Potro is a one slam wonder. He's 24, so he hasn't even hit his peak years yet. If he doesn't win one in the next few years, then i think that statement is more valid.

Roddick was a little unlucky in his career tbf. After he won his slam, Federer arrived. But just because Roddick didn't win another slam doesn't mean Del Po won't.

All i can say is, We'll see...
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