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Old 01-08-2013, 02:29 PM   #3041 (permalink)
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Tsonga is hard not to love though. His energy and passion is affectious. Plus, he clearly does have a lot of talent.
I agree with this.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:31 PM   #3042 (permalink)
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Really? I always thought i was fairly reasonable with Tsonga.

A good top 10 player, who on his day can beat almost anybody is the way i see him. If i was going around saying Jo will win a slam, then i would agree, but i don't really say that.
Yea except when was the last time he did beat a top player like top 5?
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Yea except when was the last time he did beat a top player like top 5?
2011. But what has that got to do with much?

It's not like i'm saying he'll win a slam a be top 4 soon anyway. The question is, how do i over-rate Tsonga?

I could see with Slava, but with Tsonga i'm near enought spot on. He's a good top 10 player who on his day can beat anyone. He's beaten eveyr member of the top 4 in a grand slam, so he's proven he can beat the best on the big occassions.
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Del Po wins in Kooyong class Exho tournament against Mathieu.

Apparently it wasn't a great performance, but a get the job done performance. Hopefully he'll do well in Melbourne.

Nishikori was scheduled to be in this Exho tournament, but withdrew because of that injury he sustained last week. Hopefully he'll be fit in time for Melbourne.
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Hewitt beat Raonic, the Aussie Open title has his name written over it now
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2011. But what has that got to do with much?

It's not like i'm saying he'll win a slam a be top 4 soon anyway. The question is, how do i over-rate Tsonga?

I could see with Slava, but with Tsonga i'm near enought spot on. He's a good top 10 player who on his day can beat anyone. He's beaten eveyr member of the top 4 in a grand slam, so he's proven he can beat the best on the big occassions.
You JUST said oh he can beat anybody when he's playing well but he hasn't in over a whole year
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You JUST said oh he can beat anybody when he's playing well but he hasn't in over a whole year
Because he hasn't been playing well. He's had the odd flashes, but overall he was poor in 2012.
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i would say nazzac overrates Tsonga a little bit, not as much as Shedova definitely but he does overrate Tsonga a little bit. he considers Tsonga as a dark horse in the aussie open which i found it ridiculous because there are clearly players who are now better than him and he hasn't been playing well for over a year now. he always says that if Tsonga plays well he can beat anybody, IF he plays well he is awesome, if he plays well he can reach the final, etc. he clearly hasn't been playing at that level for a while now so i don't think nazzac should be expecting that much from him. maybe the way he is playing now is his level. unless he shows some form of improvement in the next few months, you shouldn't be expecting much from him tbh. the things that i would expect from him this year is to reach the round of 16 or the quarters in a slam, to win a few small titles this year and to stay in the top 10.
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SO what? He plays well once every 10 mathes and you assume he's a top player? That would be like every top 50 player who beats a top player every now and then.

Tsonga is one of my favorite players but i don't rate him highly as you should.
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My expectations for Tsonga at the Aussie open is a Quarter Final finish. My expectations for him this season is to finish top 8, and win a few small titles. Not much different from your expectations, so if i have too high expectations for him, you guys must have too.

I said he's a darkhorse because there is always a question mark over him. I would certainly say he's dangerous when he's on form, but not when he isn't. I said that he's a darkhorse if he plays well, and i don't see why not. If he's not playing well, then yeah, he's not a darkhorse.

And, when did i ever say he was a top player? The top players are Djokovic, Murray, Federer and maybe Nadal depending on his return. When have i said that Tsonga is as good as them normally? I said, on Peak form he's as good as them, which obviously he doesn't show every match. Tsonga is a top 8 player, and thats the way i see him. If you don't think he's a top 8 player then name 8 players who are better than him? I'm not expecting Jo to become top 4 or win a slam, i expect him to maintain his top 8 position, albeit with better performances than most of last year.

Jo's main problems are that he's got glaring weaknesses in his BH & ROS. They are only reliable when he's on top form, but most of the time they are not. Thats why Rasheed has been brought in. To work on those weaknesses and make them adaquet, and so far from what i've seen, he's improved in those areas. As for his normal level, it's hard to say really, because he's so up and down. I don't think anyone can pin point Jo's normal level tbh.

Your saying that i over-rate him just because i say that when he plays at his peak form, he can beat almost anybody, which is true. Juts ask Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Murray etc... He's beaten all 4 of them. In general, i rate him a little bit higher than you unless you think he's not a top 10 player. In which case, name 10 players who are better than Tsonga?
Right now, he's the 8th best player in tennis imo. I think the 7 ranked higher than him are better players overall. Where would you place him?
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