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Old 11-07-2012, 11:38 AM   #2521 (permalink)
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Another great match from Murray and Djokovic there, I know some don't like it but I find their matches facinating. So, so simmilar in the way they play, the changes in momentum were unreal, you just didn't know who was coming and who was going. The quality was very high too. Such a close match, as seems to be the case in all their matches. This will be the next big rivalry on the tour next year and I also predict this will be thhe final come Monday night.

Murray played an astounding first set where he didn't give Djokovic any chances at all. He got a little negative once he got broken in the second but credit to him for coming back in the third set to make it 4-4. Djokovic was playing fantastic in the last two sets and it was so, so close. The match could have gone either way and the result was based on two, maybe three points. So Murray shouldn't feel too negative about this, he can still (and should) still move innto the semi finals.

From here I think Djokovic will go through first with Murray in second, and on the other side Federer in first with Ferrer in second. Meaning the semi finals.

Andy Murray vs. Rodger Federer
Novak Djokovic vs. David Ferrer

FINAL

Andy Murray vs. Novak Djokovic

That's my prediction anyways.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:06 PM   #2522 (permalink)
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Deserved win for Djokovic. Better player in the last 2 sets. They'll have a much better match in the Final.
There is no guerentee that these 2 will be in the final. Federer is the best indoor player in the world, and will most likely have a say in that. It's funny how people forget about him sometimes. And then you got guys like Ferrer and Del Potro who are capable throwing a spanner in there. Del Po is more equipped to beat the top players as he has more offensive weapons, but Ferrer can certainly capitalise if one of them isn't playing well.

There is also no guerentee that either of them will be in the final, or that Murray will get out of the group.

I personally hope they don't play each other in the final. I don't find their matches that fascinating tbh. They just cancel each other out, so it's rally after rally until one of them makes an error. Not going to be as great as the Nadal-Federer rivalry. 2 contrasting styles make for the better matches, or 2 attacking players.

I'm not saying their matches are bad. But they are not as good as some people on here make them out to be.

If Del Po or Tsonga don't win, Please make it Federer. Tennis wins when he wins
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:39 PM   #2523 (permalink)
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I don't agree with saying points in a Murray/Djokovic match end in a missed shot, quite a few will do due to howh hard it is to win a point against either of them, and that isn't downn to them just passing the ball back and forth, they hit that ball as hard as anyone on tour, both are just very good defensively and that can't be a negative. Often a show played in one of their matches would beat the majority of others in the tour and even in the top ten buut they both find a way to get the ball back. Also, it's not like they never hit winners, in that match Murray came out with 28 winners to Djokovic's 23, they are both aggressive players and hit the ball clean and hard.

I don't think Federer will win. I think Murray and Federer will be in a semi final, and even if Federer wins (which he could), Djokovic will beat him in the final.
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Wow, that was a great match. Shocked to see Nole being so motivated, tbh.
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I don't agree with saying points in a Murray/Djokovic match end in a missed shot, quite a few will do due to howh hard it is to win a point against either of them, and that isn't downn to them just passing the ball back and forth, they hit that ball as hard as anyone on tour, both are just very good defensively and that can't be a negative. Often a show played in one of their matches would beat the majority of others in the tour and even in the top ten buut they both find a way to get the ball back. Also, it's not like they never hit winners, in that match Murray came out with 28 winners to Djokovic's 23, they are both aggressive players and hit the ball clean and hard.

I don't think Federer will win. I think Murray and Federer will be in a semi final, and even if Federer wins (which he could), Djokovic will beat him in the final.
More often than not they do end in errors, And that is testiment to how good these 2 are defensively. But they are not aggressive players and they don't strike the ball as hard as anyone on tour. Have you never watched a Del Potro or Soderling match? Them 2 strike the ball really hard. I'm not saying that they aren't capable of hitting a ball hard, but most shots they play are rally shots until someone either makes and error or one steps up and starts being aggresive.

Saying these 2 are aggresive players is a bit silly really. They are defensive players (great defensive players) who are capable of playing aggressive tennis when needs be, but they are primarily defensive and often times passive. Tsonga is an example of an aggressive player. These 2 are not primarily aggressive

They are both great defensive players, and they cancel each other out most of the time. I'm not a big fan of their matches tbh.
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If you want to see a defensive player, look at Andy Murray last year. That's defensive. Very rarely was there anything on his shots. Now though there's pop on his shots and he more often than not hits them cleanly and hard when rallying from the baseline. I'm not saying either player is as aggressive as a ball basher like Berdych but they certainly aren't entirely defensive and can play a lot of the match aggressively if they need to. If they were we wouldn't have just gotten 50 winners in the match they just played.

Purely aggressive players aren't as good as players like Murray, or Djokovic. They play low percentage shots which quite often miss, that to me isn't the most entertaining of tennis. It's great to see winners but players at the top of the game know exactly when they can go for a shot like that. I like watching players working the point, playing it well and putting the ball away when they've constructed the point, not bashing the ball around trying to hit winners off each and every shot. That's why Federer, Djokovic and Murray are at the top.
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If you want to see a defensive player, look at Andy Murray last year. That's defensive. Very rarely was there anything on his shots. Now though there's pop on his shots and he more often than not hits them cleanly and hard when rallying from the baseline. I'm not saying either player is as aggressive as a ball basher like Berdych but they certainly aren't entirely defensive and can play a lot of the match aggressively if they need to. If they were we wouldn't have just gotten 50 winners in the match they just played.

Purely aggressive players aren't as good as players like Murray, or Djokovic. They play low percentage shots which quite often miss, that to me isn't the most entertaining of tennis. It's great to see winners but players at the top of the game know exactly when they can go for a shot like that. I like watching players working the point, playing it well and putting the ball away when they've constructed the point, not bashing the ball around trying to hit winners off each and every shot. That's why Federer, Djokovic and Murray are at the top.
Never said their entirely defensive. I said their PRIMARILY DEFENSIVE, which Djokovic, Murray, Nadal are. Of course they are capable of playing aggressive tennis and sometimes do in matches, but most times they are defensive. They are at the top because they are the most coonsistent players, and also the courts today are really slow which benefits defensive players. Murray,Nadal and Djokovic wouldn't have done so well if the courts were at the same speed as they were in the 90's for example. And it works the other way of course. And plsu you forgot to mention Nadal at the top . He's still a top player.

You prefer a different style of tennis than i do, which is fine. Everyone has different tastes. I like attacking tennis, which is the main reason why Tsonga is my favourite player. He's very aggressive, and when it works, it's a treat to watch. Shvedova likewise (although not as much as Jo), and so is Del Po in a way (He's not ass aggresive as Tsonga, but he's primarily offensive)
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Berdych def. Tsonga 7-5,3-6,6-1.

At least Jo played 1 good set for a change. Rest was shit, especially the final set
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I'm hoping for Ferrer to at least test Federer tomorrow. I didn't know until today that Fed's 13 & 0 against him. Ferrer's playing better than he ever has but he's still going to struggle to get a set I think.

Del Potro should brush Tipsy Pot aside fairly comfortably. He & Fed both 1/5 to win. Should've bet on Berdych but forgot, but at least I got some on the Murray/Djokovic for going to three. All was going well until Celtic beat Barca.
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And plsu you forgot to mention Nadal at the top . He's still a top player.
I can't class him as a top player at the moment because...he isn't playing

Besides, the guys been away for six months or so now. How he plays when he returns is another story, he'll take a bit of time to get back to match fitness and play as well as he did (if he can play as well as he did) it took Del Potro over a year and he's still not quite there, but we'll see how he plays when he's back.

I was rooting for Tsonga in that match but he completely fell appart in that final set. I thought he would build on his momentum for the second set but he didn't. Berdych played well. I think he'll test Djokovic but he wont win (unless Djokovic isn't trying 100% as he's pretty much through) and Murray will beat Tsonga based on both of their form right now.

If Berdych and Murray both win...who goes through?
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