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Murray really gets under Federer's skin these days and it kills his game against him. Kills his second serve and it caused 3 doubles in a row from Federer to throw his serve which is unreal. 1st game of the 2nd set was crazy good. Especially THAT point. Federer being master manipulator to save his ass when he's playing bad. We should have a quick break now while Andy's killing me.

Don't know why you guys are so against a Murray/Djokovic era. They're by far the two best players right now and I don't think Nadal will reach their level when he comes back, definitely not straight away at least. I'd much rather see a series of Murray/Djokovic classics at the slams again than a players like Berdych making a Finals and losing easily to one of them because they're not on their level.

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Murray really gets under Federer's skin these days and it kills his game against him. Kills his second serve and it caused 3 doubles in a row from Federer to throw his serve which is unreal. 1st game of the 2nd set was crazy good. Especially THAT point. Federer being master manipulator to save his ass when he's playing bad. We should have a quick break now while Andy's killing me.

Don't know why you guys are so against a Murray/Djokovic era. They're by far the two best players right now and I don't think Nadal will reach their level when he comes back, definitely not straight away at least. I'd much rather see a series of Murray/Djokovic classics at the slams again than a players like Berdych making a Finals and losing easily to one of them because they're not on their level.
1. I think people don't want two players to dominate. Having finals with the same 2 players all the time (particularly 2 defensive players) will eventually get boring.
2. Murray and Djokovic are primarily defensive players, and defensive tennis is not regarded as highly as offensive tennis

If we are in for a Murray-Djokovic era, i don't think it will last longer than 2 year. I'm confident that Del Potro will come back and become a top 3 player.

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You say defensive like it's a bad term. It's not like they just rally with each other, they just make it near impossible to hit a winner against them. I get what you mean about repetition though. I'd love for Ferrer to make Slam Final next year but I want to see the best players dominating the Slams and producing the best Finals possible more often than not. I'd rather than than an era like the Womens where a player like Radwanska can make a Slam Final and you don't get competitive finals between the elite players.

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You say defensive like it's a bad term. It's not like they just rally with each other, they just make it near impossible to hit a winner against them. I get what you mean about repetition though. I'd love for Ferrer to make Slam Final next year but I want to see the best players dominating the Slams and producing the best Finals possible more often than not. I'd rather than than an era like the Womens where a player like Radwanska can make a Slam Final and you don't get competitive finals between the elite players.
Defensive is bad in many peoples eyes. Now personally, i enjoy watching a match between two defensive players every so often, but i wouldn't want to watch it over and over. If it's Djokovic vs Murray in every slam final, then we are pretty much going to get that. I think the only player capable of stopping that era is Del Potro, unless Nadal comes back in good form.

I see what you mean by with the womens, but thats also a good thing. What i like about the womens game is how unpredictable it is. TBH i prefer that over the same players winning all the time. I'd rather go into a tournament not knowing who will win, than knowing who will win. And it's not like mugs won the womens slams this year anyway. They were won by the 3 best players in the world (Azarenka, Sharapova, and Serena). But we got unpredictable moments in tournaments like Roland Garros this year. Who expected Errani to reach the final? Who expected Shvedova to reach the Quarter finals? Not many, i can tell you that for certain. I see what you mean with the statement, but unpredictability is a good thing. I think this year has been a great year for womens tennis.

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Federer was not too good today. Wasn't on his game at all. Murray was solid, and returned very well.

Djokovic was good. He frustrated Berdych, who began to moan after every point.

Based on current form, i'd put Djokovic as a slight favorite tomorrow, but it wouldn't surprise me either way.

And congrats Heather on her first WTA final. I hope she takes the title tomorrow. She kinda slipped under the radar with all the Robson hype at the moment.

And quick question for you guys. What do you think the top 10 will look like by the end of next year?

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1. Djokovic (i think he'll take 2 slams)
2. Murray (will win a slam, and some masters)
3. Nadal (He'll take a masters on clay and Roland Garros)
4. Federer (Consistent throughout. Won't win a slam though)
5. Del Potro (Good slams results and a title or 2)
6. Tsonga (I think he'll be better next year than this)
7. Ferrer (will have a good clay swing, and a good RG)
8. Berdych (Consistent throughout the year, but doesn't do anything of note)
9. Tipsarevic (A year like this one for Tipsy)
10. Nishikori or Raonic (I think one of these 2 will break top 10)

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And quick question for you guys. What do you think the top 10 will look like by the end of next year?

I'm going to say

1. Djokovic (i think he'll take 2 slams)
2. Murray (will win a slam, and some masters)
3. Nadal (He'll take a masters on clay and Roland Garros)
4. Federer (Consistent throughout. Won't win a slam though)
5. Del Potro (Good slams results and a title or 2)
6. Tsonga (I think he'll be better next year than this)
7. Ferrer (will have a good clay swing, and a good RG)
8. Berdych (Consistent throughout the year, but doesn't do anything of note)
9. Tipsarevic (A year like this one for Tipsy)
10. Nishikori or Raonic (I think one of these 2 will break top 10)
1. Djokovic (i think he'll return somewhat to his bets next year)
2. Nadal (if he returns in good form, if not, swap with Murray)
3. Murray (maybe 2nd depending on what Nadal does)
4. Del Potro (to back up my bold prediction)
5. Federer (The least likely of the current big 4 to win a slam next year)
6. Ferrer (will be similar to this year)
7. Tsonga (will improve somewhat, but won't do anything noteworthy)
8. Berdych (Will have a decent 2013, but nothing special)
9. Raonic or Nishikori (like you said NC, i think one will break through. But one will just miss out and be 11th or 12th)
10. Tipsarevic (will have a solid year) or Monaco (Vulture)

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After the way Murray played today you can't say that he's a purely defensive player at all, nor can you with Djokovic. Murray outplayed Federer in every way possible and was aggressive as he did so. So many brilliant service returns (which was made a little easier due to Federers serving) but he was getting on top of Federer and pressing him on every point almost. Really great win for Murray to continue his upward momentum from the US Open.

I have no problems with a Murray/Djokovic era, the tennis isn't boring at all to me and it just shows how physical and athletic each guy is because it's so difficult to his an outright winner. The guys are hitting the ball as hard as they would usually but the other is so good defensively that it turns into longer rallies, which isn't a bad thing at all in my book. As Seabs said, rather a very competetive match between these two than a one sides match against someone like Berdych or Tsonga in a final...

I think Djokovic is the slight favourite for tomorrow, he's been playing great all week annd really does look in good form. Althogh it will be tight, I wouldn't be surprised to see Murray win since he seems to have a thing for Shanghai (never lost there) so will be really interesting.

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Don't know why you guys are so against a Murray/Djokovic era. They're by far the two best players right now and I don't think Nadal will reach their level when he comes back, definitely not straight away at least. I'd much rather see a series of Murray/Djokovic classics at the slams again than a players like Berdych making a Finals and losing easily to one of them because they're not on their level.
Not a fan of both players. I also don't like defensive tennis.

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And quick question for you guys. What do you think the top 10 will look like by the end of next year?

I'm going to say

1. Djokovic (i think he'll take 2 slams)
2. Murray (will win a slam, and some masters)
3. Nadal (He'll take a masters on clay and Roland Garros)
4. Federer (Consistent throughout. Won't win a slam though)
5. Del Potro (Good slams results and a title or 2)
6. Tsonga (I think he'll be better next year than this)
7. Ferrer (will have a good clay swing, and a good RG)
8. Berdych (Consistent throughout the year, but doesn't do anything of note)
9. Tipsarevic (A year like this one for Tipsy)
10. Nishikori or Raonic (I think one of these 2 will break top 10)
1. Nadal(Think he will win Roland Garros and from there he will start to dominate. Think he will win Wimbledon as well)
2. Andy Murray(He will win a slam some more titles)
3. Djokovic(He will a slam)
4. Federer(He will be consistent but won't win a slam, he will win a few titles)
5. Del Potro(Will do well in all the slams and will reach the final of the US Open)
6. Ferrer(He will have a good clay season)
7. Berdych(Good slam results)
8. Tsonga(Consistent but doesn't do anything special)
9. Raonic(Think he will be a great season next year)
10. Tipsaveric(Like this year maybe)





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I don't like Djokovic/Murray era because their matches are really boring unlike the Fed/nadal era.

They both play defensive styles and it's all baseline bashing. Unlike the contrasting styles of Federer Nadal
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