Originally Posted by Cookie Monster
Absolute nonsense. Where do I start with that?
"Villas-Boas was successful in the Portugese league. Hardly the Premier League." -- and what about Mourinho?
Mourinho WAS successful in the Prem. Serie A too. And La Liga. Also won two CL's. AVB has ONLY been successful in the Portugese League and hasn't proved anything in the Prem.
"He was tactically naive enough to try to play a high defensive line with John Terry instead of managing what he had, the basic sign of any good manager. He had a quicker CB in Alex, and got rid of him. He also dropped the world's best left-back." -- Given that those players rank highly amongst Chelsea's overly obnoxious and self-entitled dressing room, he obviously didn't want to play Cole when he had Bertrand - who proved in the Champions League final he had what it took to step up - and sure, he could have played Alex instead of Terry, but neither were suited to the position and Terry was better than Alex. He bought in Cahill to play alongside Luiz, if I remember correctly, and things looked far better, but the Chelsea players who were left on the bench revolted and convinced people that AV-B was failing.
Except Bertrand played on the wing in the final, and have you watched Cole recently? He didn't even play Bertrand, he played Bosingwa at left-back.
Luiz? He was appalling under AVB. Far worse than Terry.
There are plenty of ego's and self-entitled players in football. But when they're your best players, you don't dump them.
Luiz, Cech, Torres, Terry all looked awful under AVB. He also alienated Cole and didn't play Drogba enough. All those players improved dramatically when RDM came in. Bosingwa, Mikel and Malouda were all awful under AVB too, but there's only so much you can polish a turd.
"There's not a chance they would've got in the top 4 with him, are you completely nuts? They sacked him and won the CL and FA Cup. Turned out to be the best decision Abramovich has ever made." -- The statistics in the league indicate that Andre Villas-Boas was more successful than Roberto Di Matteo in the league. When Villas-Boas was sacked Chelsea were fifth and were only 3 points off 4th place. Where did they finish? 6th and were 5 points off 4th place.
Who gives a shit? RDM made the league position irrelevant by WINNING the Champions League. I don't need to statistics to know Chelsea didn't look like finishing in the CL under AVB. Results were getting worse and worse and Arsenal were flying at the time he was sacked after an awful start.
"I actually thought it was rash to sack him, but RDM came in and showed simple man management and playing with what you've got at your disposal can go a very long way. Turns out Chelsea didn't need a transitional season after all, they ended up having their best one ever." -- Di Matteo reinstated the Chelsea Children and blew their egos, that's all he did. Chelsea had the quality to win cups, but so did Liverpool and look how fucking atrocious they were in the league. Di Matteo is hardly a miracle-worker, he was incredibly lucky to progress past Barcelona on both occasions, and Bayern were the architects of their own downfall in Munich. For 3 games against those two teams Chelsea were completely void of any attacking presence and merely defended for 95% of the game. They got lucky with two missed penalties in normal time against both teams, and were fortunate enough to take the very few chances they had.
"I'm not saying AVB is a bad manager, but lets not pretend he didn't do a fucking awful job, the first big one of his career." -- You are saying AV-B is a bad manager, and you're completely wrong for doing so. AV-B will prove, given a fair chance, that he's a very savvy tactician; as he did when he took the biggest job of his career - at Porto.
RDM "reinstated the Chelsea children" and was astronomically more successful than AVB.
Turning round a 3-1 defecit against Naploli, beating Barcelona over two legs including come back from behind with 10 men at the Camp Nou, and beating Bayern on their home turf... after the way Chelsea looked under AVB, is about as close to a miracle as you will come.
No, i'm not saying AVB is a bad manager, i'm saying he did a bad job at Chelsea. Porto a bigger job than Chelsea? What the actual fuck