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Old 05-30-2012, 10:31 AM   #971 (permalink)
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Has he signed there yet? Should take him to Liverpool.
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:45 AM   #972 (permalink)
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Martinez go back to Swansea.
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Hazard and Mata behind any striker should be good to watch for Chelsea next season. Funny he went there after plenty of city fans being exceptionally confident of getting him a while back.

It would really hurt me if United didn't get Kagawa.
Agree on all of that mate. Getting Kagawa be great for us I said few weeks ago if land him for anywhere between 12-15M pounds it be a bargain & one SAF best bits of business he will give us more options in attacking sense as so often in attack look out idea through middle so give ball to wide men in order to produce the goods with Kawaga can finally have a player who can create stuff in center. Also we are only club interested in him, so that puts bed any rumors concerning Arsenal.

Also Hulk on Chelsea radar & according to Telegraph 90% done & didn’t Sao Paulo president come & say that Chelsea had bid 32M for Lucas? If Chelsea can wrap up those 2 deals combined with buying a RB (Van der Weil of Ajax maybe?). Now that Chelsea squad for 12/13 is scary good. Feel kinda bad for Mata if what Hazard saying about wanting play through middle is true then mean Mata get shifted out wide though he still good player there his more effective off CF that said a front 4 of Mata Hazard Marin & Torres is still impressive.

As I said at the time on Hazard if we got him great but if he joined Chelsea or Man City then no hard feelings, both those 2 clubs challenge for cups each season, have CL & big money on offer & between Manchester & London, alot people will want London imo more so if got a young family like Hazard has. My only sour feeling is the way its all been handled think been shambles from player very unprofessional. Though I have the weirdest feeling announcing where your going on Twitter will become common theme now in next few years for players (I hope not) only good things is this transfer over with early. Good luck to him at Chelsea, hope he delivers in PL, his got all tools needed to become a very good player over next few years, so were see what he does for Chelsea for next few seasons.

Liverpool appointing Rodgers is interesting choice, He will get Liverpool playing better in attacking sense(after some time), Liverpool problem was not scoring enough goals in PL last season & being 1 dimensional in attack for long periods of season. Away from home it was fine cos focused on counter attacking, but at home there suffered by doing this as Teams sat back & never bothered by Liverpool attacks all that much. Rodgers Swansea keep ball & played short passing with aim of finding gaps to thread balls through other teams defense if couldn’t find it just keep ball & keep waiting to see the gap appear, if Rodgers can recreate that formula at Liverpool then it would be a great start. I look forward to seeing what he can deliver at Liverpool, might want start with getting RW though & CM who can play balls around a bit in attacking sense. But I honestly don’t believe Liverpool unless serious major investment is made on top players how they can finish in top 4 next year (Which the owners wanted them to do last summer) So are Liverpool owners going be looking at 3 year plan here & say to Rodgers what you do in first season isn’t so important just get us challenging high up in PL but progress beyond 8th finish hopefully top 6 & improve on that in your 2nd season or will they give Rodgers the same line they gave Kenny Daglish & tell him Liverpool need finish in top 4 come May.

I also feel for Swansea though, losing Rodgers is such kick in teeth. I hope whoever takes over from him keeps the same passing idea/style that Rodgers used or something similar as I really enjoyed watching them last season; finishing 11th for club is great achievement.
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Personally I think the whole Liverpool situation is laughable. How can any Liverpool fan, demanding a Top 4 finish no less, be happy at such dire appointments? Both Martinez and Rogers have had a couple of decent seasons, but that's only the case when you see they've just about avoided relegation with shit teams or had a good first season in the Premiership (which shockingly, is not uncommon); for me it's like saying Chris Hughton should be the new Chelsea manager, simply because he got Newcastle promoted and then to 8th the subsequent season.

Villas-Boas is the man for the job. No question about it. Any imbecile saying Rogers or Martinez are better options have no understanding of football, in fact, they're probably the same people who supported KKK's atrocious reign purely because he was an Anfield legend, won a cup and got to the final of the FA Cup, forgetting the fact that he was tactically retarded, bought average players at premium prices, and was diabolical in the league. Rafael Benitez? He won a Champions League, yes, but he also bought the shitty players that took Liverpool out of contention for the title and created the slide the club is dealing with today. Should he be boss when he couldn't even maintain the success Mourinho put in place at Inter? No. The man couldn't even keep Inter in contention for the title after about 15 games.

Give it to Van Gaal, if not Villas-Boas. He's the only man in the frame who wants the job and is of some stature. The others don't deserve the chance so early.
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Old 05-30-2012, 11:01 AM   #975 (permalink)
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I'd rather we get M'Vila or even Modric than Hulk. Hulk reduces our by far best player RAM to a worse role

Only upside is due to RAM's versatility, he can play literally any position on the field. From right back to even secondary striker if needed

As for Torres, I still have faith in him. I know i know, he hasnt had the best two years. But the last few months have shown he might still have it. And now with proper support he might be able to pull off some magic

I really hope we dont get Hulk
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Old 05-30-2012, 11:05 AM   #976 (permalink)
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That's a pretty poor post Cookie. You talk about Rafa's slide and his poor job at Inter, yet cite AVB for the job after the appalling job he did at Chelsea, a job that an interim manager who had only previously managed clubs at a lower level (much like Rogers and Martinez btw) turned into CL and FA Cup wins in just a couple of months. Why would Van Gaal even want the job? I thought he was only ever linked as a Sporting Director? Liverpool aren't attracting top calibre managers, and they've made a good appointment going for a manager who's YOUNG AND TALENTED, and one that actually has a clear philosophy and idea of what he wants from his team.

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I wonder what changed his mind?
I would guess they offered him the job and negotations went from there, rather than wanting to "chat" with him about the job, which basically would've made his position possibly untenable at Swansea and is exactly what's happened to Martinez, who's now going to be laughed at by the dressing room when he says things like "we're all in this together lads".

is a laughing stock, it's brilliantly funny that Abramovich booted out arguably the club's best ever player in Drogba over one extra year and is keeping faith in Torres. It's not 2008 anymore.
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Old 05-30-2012, 11:09 AM   #977 (permalink)
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hulk can always be played as the out an out striker
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Old 05-30-2012, 11:12 AM   #978 (permalink)
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That's a pretty poor post Cookie. You talk about Rafa's slide and his poor job at Inter, yet cite AVB for the job after the appalling job he did at Chelsea, a job that an interim manager who had only previously managed clubs at a lower level (much like Rogers and Martinez btw) turned into CL and FA Cup wins in just a couple of months. Why would Van Gaal even want the job? I thought he was only ever linked as a Sporting Director? Liverpool aren't attracting top calibre managers, and they've made a good appointment going for a manager who's YOUNG AND TALENTED, and one that actually has a clear philosophy and idea of what he wants from his team.
Maybe you don't know who Andre Villas-Boas is, let me clarify.

Villas-Boas was Mourinho's key man at Chelsea, before he was hired as their manager. He compiled extensive dossiers on all the teams Chelsea would be playing, and he coached the players through the tactics they'd need to employ to get the best out of their opposition. He did this for three years, in that time helping Mourinho get back-to-back titles and several cups. Villas-Boas did all the hard work for Mourinho, to the point where Mourinho wanted him at Inter instead of Porto. At Porto, Villas-Boas won just about everything he came into contact with, and did so employing a very sophisticated tactical system, one which was very difficult for the opposition to break down. Under his leadership Porto played in a way which lead Roman Abramovich to shell-out a massive fee to Porto just to acquire Villas-Boas as his new manager.

Now, Chelsea's situation under Villas-Boas is completely deceiving. Villas-Boas had a better record in the league than Roberto Di Matteo did, and there's stats out there to prove it. All of the negativity around Villas-Boas is fan propaganda from Chelsea fans who were completely unwilling to have a transition season. Villas-Boas was in the midst of reforming the team and employing the kind of football Abramovich wanted, but he was: 1. Completely undermined by the prima-donnas in the dressing room, and 2. Was unable to acquire players he needed to enforce his tactics in the right way (Hulk and Moutinho being two of them, and a new centre-back); this meant the likes of John Terry had to play a high-line (as Chelsea didn't have a suitable replacement) and Terry couldn't do it, which meant Chelsea conceded a lot of goals; then with Kalou and company not delivering, and a mis-firing Torres, who he was forced to keep, Villas-Boas couldn't recreate the success of the tactics he used at Porto. If he'd had another season, I'm sure he'd have rejuvenated Chelsea, even if they didn't win the Champions League or FA Cup. I also think they'd have finished in a Champions League spot, too.
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That's a pretty poor post Cookie. You talk about Rafa's slide and his poor job at Inter, yet cite AVB for the job after the appalling job he did at Chelsea, a job that an interim manager who had only previously managed clubs at a lower level (much like Rogers and Martinez btw) turned into CL and FA Cup wins in just a couple of months. Why would Van Gaal even want the job? I thought he was only ever linked as a Sporting Director? Liverpool aren't attracting top calibre managers, and they've made a good appointment going for a manager who's YOUNG AND TALENTED, and one that actually has a clear philosophy and idea of what he wants from his team.



I would guess they offered him the job and negotations went from there, rather than wanting to "chat" with him about the job, which basically would've made his position possibly untenable at Swansea and is exactly what's happened to Martinez, who's now going to be laughed at by the dressing room when he says things like "we're all in this together lads".

is a laughing stock, it's brilliantly funny that Abramovich booted out arguably the club's best ever player in Drogba over one extra year and is keeping faith in Torres. It's not 2008 anymore.
I find it funny that the majority of Chelsea fans who KNOW how much Drogba has meant all these years have no problem with him leaving, meanwhile supporters from other clubs are telling us how to think in this situation

Right, its not like me, Joel or God are gonna miss him at all. No no, we just want him booted because we're crazy and stuff and we hate drogba
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Thats what i was thinking.

We could play a 4-2-2-2 formation with Hulk and Torres up front, Hazrad and Mata behind and two cm/dm
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