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Old 05-30-2012, 12:41 PM   #991 (permalink)
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AVB's young

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Old 05-30-2012, 12:44 PM   #992 (permalink)
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I like how people post about they have a greater knowledge of the game than us. Thanks for being here Cookie Monster, it makes us all feel special to be amongst your presence. It'll be a shame when you leave again in February.

Pleasure to meet you Senor Elitist. I'm sure Chelsea would have rather finished 4th with AVB in charge and had the POTENTIAL to win their first CL cup in later years than actually winning the trophy, by whatever means, under Di Matteo.
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Wow Cookie. Wow.

I do have some sympathy for AVB, because he didn't get the players he wanted to play his system. But he's a fucking retard for trying to make an elephant run like a gazelle.

RDM had away trips to Arsenal, City and Liverpool, as well as home match against Spurs. He by far the harder fixtures in the league. And when you add all the cups games in between, then you can understand why we drifted JUST 2 points from 4th spot.

If AVB hadn't fucked up at home to Fulham, away to Wigan when they weren't on their magnificent run, etc, we would have been in a better position.
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Old 05-30-2012, 12:58 PM   #994 (permalink)
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Was Villas-Boas given a fair chance in the Premiership? No. Has he managed in Italy or Spain? No. AV-B has "ONLY" been successful in the one league he's been given a chance to manage in. I have no idea what that has to do with the quote I posted, though. You said his success in Portugal was irrelevant, I highlighted Mourinho had the exact same experience before his move to Chelsea, and we all know how well he did.
Given a chance to manage in? Umm, he was given a chance at Chelsea. He fucked it up. RDM came in under even more difficult circumstances, took over the mess AVB left them in and made his job look all the more awful.

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Would Bertrand have played the final if AV-B hadn't blooded him into the team? No. Was Luiz a completely rejuvenated player under Di Matteo? No. Is the talent of one individual more important than the team? No. Total nonsense. AV-B would have adequately replaced Cole, most likely with Jordi Alba. Luiz would have improved once he settled into the style of play (he always showed glimpses of promise) and Bertrand was only in the final because AV-B gave him the experience to be there.
Did AVB ever play Bertrand on the wing like RDM did? No. Also, Bertrand was completely overran by Robben in the final:

"Arjen Robben: Only 1 player has had more shots in a match (Ronaldo 16) in top 5 leagues/CL in the last 3 seasons than Robben's 15 vs Chelsea"

Was Luiz a rejuvenated player under RDM? No, but he wasn't the total liability he was under AVB.

Most likely replace him with Jordi Alba? Alba isn't better than Cole, wouldn't go to Chelsea, and was never linked to them or AVB, are you just making this stuff up as you go along?

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Roberto HAD TO make the league position irrelevant by winning the Champions League because he failed to improve their league position himself. Chelsea were LUCKY to win the Champions League, even if they deserved to win it on account of their defensive performances and their taking of chances.
....he HAD TO win the Champions League, and he did. He couldn't improve the poor state that AVB left them in the league, no, but he made it irrelevant by winning the biggest prize of the lot.

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As for the ignorance to factual statistics, would you sack Redknapp after he FAILED to get Tottenham into the Champions League? After all, you were 3rd with a sizeable point advantage and your results got worse and worse… or would you sit tight, not judge him on a bad run of form and overcome it by improving next season? Would Arsenal have done well to sack Wenger after their diabolical start to the season and an 8-2 hammering at Old Trafford? No. Same with Chelsea, which will be proven over the next couple of seasons as they fail to make the grade due to not addressing critical faults in their team (because they foolishly believe winning the Champions League vindicated their abysmal league performance, as you appear to believe).
You're comparing AVB to Redknapp and Wenger? Completely ignoring the fact that they've both done brilliant jobs at their clubs whereas AVB came in for Ancelotti (who should never have been sacked) and took them on a very quick turn for the worse as soon as he got the job?

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Porto was his FIRST job in management, he came through that with flying colours. I didn't say Porto were a bigger club than Chelsea or suggest the job wasn't important to his career. I said that his first job was his most important one.

And, he didn't do a bad job at Chelsea. Unfortunately some people have no clue about this game beyond signing superstars and winning a few cups here and there; and that's okay, but don't waste my time by replying when you fail to actually understand the stupidity of what you're saying. If you want sustainable success on all fronts you have to build it; see Ferguson at United, the Barcelona project under Guardiola and Arsenal under Wenger (the latter of which will eventually come to fruition given the structure in place at Arsenal).
Porto is not a bigger job than Chelsea, regardless of when it is in your career (and it WASN'T his first job anyway). The pressure and expectations of managing Porto pales in comparison to managing Chelsea under Abramovich. Absolutely laughable opinion.

He did a bad job at Chelsea, you only have to look at what they've done without him to see that. "Winning a few cups" is what matters in football, not some long term rejuvenation project of which there's no proof he would've done well either. How well would dat regeneration have gone under AVB after they would've finished 5th or 6th, not be Champions of Europe, and therefore been unable to attract players like Hazard?

You're absolutely talking out of your ass. AVB did a shitty job at Chelsea and left them in the worst state they had been since Abramovich took the reigns. RDM came in and turned it into their best season ever. You can stop wasting my time by making out that it was wise to drop Cole, Porto is a bigger job than Chelsea, and that AVB didn't make a mess of the job he was doing and should be compared on the same criterion as Arsene Wenger.
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rodgers has apparently left swansea.

WONDER WHAT HAPPENS NEXT
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Old 05-30-2012, 01:13 PM   #996 (permalink)
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I like how people post about they have a greater knowledge of the game than us. Thanks for being here Cookie Monster, it makes us all feel special to be amongst your presence. It'll be a shame when you leave again in February.

Pleasure to meet you Senor Elitist. I'm sure Chelsea would have rather finished 4th with AVB in charge and had the POTENTIAL to win their first CL cup in later years than actually winning the trophy, by whatever means, under Di Matteo.
If AVB had stayed, Spurs would be in the Champions League now
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Rogers to Chelsea maybe

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Don't worry Seb, Cookie knows more because he read all about AVB's tactical brilliance in The Sun as well as laughing at their comparison between him and Juan Mata.

EDIT: It was also fucking hilarious seeing Cookie's responses to the Antonio Conte/bribery scandal - "how does it affect Juventus?! Can they be banned from Europe?!" along those lines. Wantin' 'dem Spurs to get into Europe sooooooo much.
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Eddie Newton on SSN saying Abramovich hasn't even spoke to RDM since the CL final

Capello for the job?
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You cannot compare Mourinho and AVB history before they went to chelsea. You just can't.

Mourinho got the job at Benfica before porto, and in the short time he was there, he was sucessful, however we had elections and he was sacked, because the new president wanted a friend as coach. He went to leiria, and Leiria got his best position ever in the league, and then he went to Porto, which was a weak team at the time, he, then, completely renewed the team and in 3 months they went from weak team to uefa-cup winner, and he then won the champions league. He was sucessfull in 3 teams, prior he went to chelsea, and he won 2! european cups. And i'm not even go to his path as a simple coach when he worked with van gaal and Bobby Robson.

In the other hand, you have AVB who was never a coach, only a scout. He, then, worked at Académica but he wasn't very successful. When porto hired him, some pleople disagreed since ha only trained 1 team, and wasnt very good a it. His season at Porto was indeed very good, winning 3 out of 4 titles.

Mourinho had given much more proves than AVB in their career before Chelsea, and for longer. AVB had 1 good season, that doens't prove much. I wouln't want him to train my team, he is waaaaaaaaaayy overrated.
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