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MLB: ONE WEEK!

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#1 ·
The Cubs are so awful.

Discuss.
 
#2,720 ·
Rangers aren't gonna trade for him either. Seattle was going to give up one of their stud prospect pitchers and other stuff. Too rich. I'd rather keep what pitching prospects Texas has since FA pitchers rarely come to Arlington. Unless we're talking Stanton. Things change fast when we're talking Stanton...which isn't happening either I know.
 
#2,723 ·
I'd disagree with you. Prospects are overrated by many (including even myself at times). While Profar/Olt are highly regarded (ik they aren't pitching prospects but I'm assuming are among Rangers top 2-4 prspects). If you have the chance to get a potential MVP guy for some prospects, you make the deal. That's what kinda brought the Tigers back to relevance. Sure, they had that stud prospect that panned out (VERLANDER) but Cabrera was traded for 6 prospects, including 2 top 10 guys that never lived up to potential (although Maybin's an alright player now). Scherzer and Jackson? Trades, although Jackson didn't have MLB experience at the time. Fister? Prospects. Sanchez? Top pitching prospect and a solid hitting prospect. Unless you have a Bryce Harper (which I think you'd agree Texas doesn't have) why wouldn't you trade for JUp? He's young, and while he's had some hot and cold years, we've seen him hit like an MVP candidate at his best and without Hamilton that could be a nice big bat in the lineup. I'd personally make the deal even if it meant Profar and Olt, since more often than not prospects don't pan out or are heavily overrated.

tl;dr Trade for a potential MVP candidate if a top prospect is all it takes. I'll take the young proven guy over the younger unproven guy every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
 
#2,721 ·
Team USA looking juicy, despite notable players turning down invites to the WBC. Braun, McCutchen, D. Wright, Tulo.... not bad. It'll be fun to watch some semi meaningful baseball this spring, instead of the MLB running through the motions with their cactus league and spring training schedules.
 
#2,722 ·
If I was a HoF voter, I'd hold a conference and get a consensus vote for the next year ahead of time. We're forcing these 15 through to the HoF, and that'll open it up more for future years.

Or maybe it'll just make HoF voters congress, "Yeah, we can get you the votes for Raines, but you guys have to vote for Morris", I'm loving this idea already!
 
#2,724 ·
Is Upton an MVP at this point? He's had a few MEH seasons, looks like he could have weight issues too.

You did see how I'd trade for Stanton with just about anything right? So we actually agree, but disagree on what Upton is worth.

Profar is a SHORTSTOP, and possibly a great one. Those are rare. So yeah you have to get something more proven than Justin Upton.
 
#2,725 ·
Stanton will have to move to the American League eventually altogether. No way with his sheer size that he'll be able to continue playing the OF on an everyday basis. As for Upton, I don't think he's a stud. A package around Olt should be obvious, but I'd hang onto Profar.
 
#2,737 ·
Tulowitzki needs to take a physical before the WBC committee in order to compete. Otherwise, he has declared.

Milton Bradley is facing 13 years in prison for assault with a deadly weapon against his girlfriend. Facing multiple charges.

The NY Mets are said to be favorites to land former SF Giants closer, Brian Wilson. Wilson is drawing interest from 9 teams. NY is the favorites to land him right now.

Diamondbacks are coveting Olt. They're in talks with the Rangers for an Upton/Olt package. Holding up the deal is the other prospect(s) Texas would have to include with Olt in a package.
 
#2,738 ·
Well that'll be an awesome infield.

D'backs are probably finding that Olt/stuff is the best they can get without Upton vetoing. I mean I have to think Texas offered Olt/stuff in past months. Not sure how I'd feel about giving up Olt and Perez. We'll see how it plays out. Daniels almost always refuses to overpay.
 
#2,747 ·
I was bored, so I felt like doing a comparison of Upton and Miggy (pre-Tigers trade; Miggy was about the same age when his trade was made) and try to estimate if that would be an overpay for the Rangers. First off, let's look at what Cabrera did from his age 21-24 seasons (2nd through 5th years; first full season) compared to Uptons 21-24 (first 4 years where he didn't begin in minors).

Cabrera: 633 games, 20.8 WAR, .318/.405/.566, defense (while he flipped between COF and 3B) = not good
Upton: 580 games, 16.7 WAR, .285/.363/.485 defense = average with a UZR/150 at 2.0 and 16 DRS

Clearly Cabrera was the better hitter and Upton the superior defender, not that I needed to take all that time to figure it out. However I did to draw the comparison between the two. Cabrera was able to bring in two top 10 prospects from the year before they debuted (according to Baseball America). Upton wouldn't be worth that much, but Profar is the only Rangers prospect in the top 10 and, from all accounts, isn't going anywhere. A deal for a combination of Olt (who's currently blocked by Beltre although could play first) and Perez + organizational depth for Upton I would claim is fair. Olt is a top 25 prospect from what I've seen and Perez has been around 40-50 range despite his struggles. Let's not forget that pitching prospects are very unpredictable and if I were the Rangers and that was all it took I would be taking that deal today. Sure, Upton has health issues, but he's shown enough where having him for the next 3 years at what he's getting would be extremely valuable. Hamilton had his own problems as well and that's who Upton would be replacing.

Also it should be noted, Cabrera only had (I believe) one year left of arbitration before he would've become a FA when he was traded, while Upton still has 38.5 million over 3 years left on his deal. That averages out to a little less than 13 million a year. Considering a WAR win is about 5 to 6 million, he'd only need 3 WAR a season to make his deal profitable (which he has done 3 of the 4 years, with the other being worth 2.5 wins). Upton's clearly shown the potential to have big years (2011 gave him a top 5 MVP finish, 2009 was another huge year) and have the talent where he could potentially gain possibly 4 or even 5 wins a year. Say he gains 4.5 wins each of the next 3 years (on average). That'd be 13.5 wins, multiply that by 5.5 million (one WAR win) and Upton would realistically be worth almost 75 million. With simple math, 75-39 = 36 million dollars profit Upton would draw.
 
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