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Old 06-24-2012, 05:06 PM   #911 (permalink)
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He's playing more. And look what's happened with the Angels (bullpen has been incredible too). MIddlebrooks hasn't played full time. Pretty easy to see.

Never said the Angels built around Trout.


At any rate, I called you on your bullshit that Middlebrooks is the sole reason the Bosox have stayed in it. You're still wrong about that and always will be.
The Sox weren't in it prior to him. They were 12 games back 30 games in. You didn't really call me out on anything other than being a baby and saying "Trout is the better power ranger!! Middlebrooks doesn't play everyday!" Newsflash: Boston moved an instrumental part of their franchise to make room for him.

So, unfounded claims with no data to back your stats up. Lost credibility when you said Pods, Nava, and Avilles have been the glue of the team with the offense being built around a guy who is hitting 6th or 7th in the lineup.
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:11 PM   #912 (permalink)
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Maestro are you looking at Podsednik, Nava and Avilles at anything other than face value? How aware are you of their contributions?

For the record as well, Nava leads them team in WAR, followed closely by Avilles and Ortiz.
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:16 PM   #914 (permalink)
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I am, but he's trying to denounce how good Middlebrooks has been by saying:

1. Trout is better (without any metrics to show me how, other than saying Trout has played more games, which, should support my claims considering Middlebrooks is on par or better in every offensive statistic except for stolen bases)
2. Saying Pods, Avilla, Salty, Nava and all these other jobbers have been more influential than Middlebrooks. And despite Middlebrooks hitting grand slams, beating out people for their jobs, and the entire Red Sox clubhouse saying that he's their best player, MrMister says nope, his contributions and statistics are inflated because he capitalizes on every at bat he has with RISP.

How do these hold water? The premise is totally off base here.
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:20 PM   #915 (permalink)
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I don't think he at any point has said anything about how good Middlebrooks is other than in relative terms compared to Trout which says far more about Trout than it does Middlebrooks. Not being better does not = sucks. All he has said is Trout has contributed more to Angels wins than Middlebrooks does to Boston wins. Metrics support it too. Check out fangraphs if you want to see for yourself. I don't really know what you want here. Last time we used metrics you said you can't always use metrics, now you want metrics. I DUNNO WHAT TO TELL YA.

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Correction: I shouldn't say all he has said, more like his main point.
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:22 PM   #916 (permalink)
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lolz. I don't want them from YOU. I want them from the guy who is trying to argue with me.
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If they do trade Bourjous, the Marlins would happily take him for the right price.

Also, The red Sox picking up 5.5 mil of Youk's contract.
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:24 PM   #918 (permalink)
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Correction: I shouldn't say all he has said, more like his main point. I will stay out of it from now on though. Go at it boys.
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You're not even dumb Flex, so I don't why you're being that way. Forget the Trout argument. It's pointless since we need to see what both have done at season's end. Looking now is too small of a sample.

I never said Aviles and guys like him have been more important than Middlebrooks. I said Middlebrooks wasn't the sole reason Boston has stayed afloat despite all these injuries. Other players have contributed greatly. Cody Ross is another guy that's been huge despite going on the DL. Just so happens he jacked two homers and drove in 5 today. STATS

I'm not getting stats because I don't want to look them up.

And yeah, Will Middlebrooks is good. I actually explicitly said this. Boston is a few games above .500 because the entire lineup has been hitting well. They've scored well over 300 runs. Gonzalez could be better for sure and when he comes around and if Ellsbury comes back and doesn't go Chris Young, Boston is a scary scary team.
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It's fine. I'll drop it. Carry on your merry way. Just don't try to hostilely dispute Middlebrooks being THE catalyst to the BOSOX turning this season around and not back it up with some JM or Perfect Poster made up stat of WAR.

All I have to say is... WAR, WHOOOOOO. WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR? Absolutely NOTHING! kthx <3
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