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I guess Pujols signed like a 20 year contract with the Angels though? 10 years and 10 more as a "hall of famer" as WWE would say it?


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Soriano is a hall of famer. 100% srs.
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3 30/30 seasons
1 40/40 season


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His HOF indicators (via B-R) aren't even close to borderline HOF. His 5 most comperable players through age 36 are Matt Williams, Torii Hunter, Joe Carter, Ellis Burks, and Fred Lynn. Those are all good, not great, players. Considering he's only going to have a few years left to boost his counting stats (and likely not be much more than replacement worthy) Soriano will be thought of as a very good MLB player at his peak, but not good enough that he could sustain his success long enough to be a HOF.

Let's put it this way, if both retired today, I'd guarantee Miggy would get more HOF votes than Soriano, and that's with him being 7 years younger. While that may not be a fair comparison, most agree that Miggy is on track to the Hall and for Soriano to not even have career numbers that match up with him with 6-7 seasons on him tells you how Soriano should be regarded.



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I don't think that is a fair comparison. For the first 8 years or so, Fonz was transcending the way we looked at second base play offensively. His knees evidently gave out on him, but I'd insist he's in the HOF, not the Hall of Very Good. To each their own. I don't even like the guy much (and I waver back and forth between liking the Sox and Cubs, which as you know is atypical around these parts), but last year was a bounce back season for him. Soriano put a lot of work in at the dish and in the outfield - and it showed.


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Nah. Can't just cherry pick stats like 30/30 seasons when Bobby Bonds 5 of those type of seasons and isn't in the HOF, Howard Johnson has 3 type of seasons, and Raul Mondesi has 2 himself. It's a cool stat, but not something that should make a guy in HOF discussion. Whether his injury problems derailed him of a HOF career is irrelevant, since we could do that with a lot of guys. If someone like Lou Whitaker can't make it into the HOF (although they played in different eras and at different spots for half of SOriano's career) then Soriano sure as hell doesn't.



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St. Louis Cardinals farm system is ridiculous. They really have high-ceiling position player and pitching prospects but with a system full of both depth and breadth. Outfielder Oscar Taveras, pitcher Shelby Miller, who's already been given a strong taste of The Show, blue-chipper second baseman Kelten Wong and shortstop Ryan Jackson are among their top prospects, and there's a ton of very solid depth below that tier.

One of the more intriguing things about the Cardinals is that their relief pitchers coming up the ranks always seem to post higher velocity than was expected of them rather than the other way around. It's like the organization invites Bob Gibson over for a barbecue once a year and have some shady doctor stick him with a syringe-needle to extract some blood and reproduce some Bob Gibson DNA for their organization's young pitchers to consume a few hours before they hit the mound.

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Soriano isn't a HoF unless he pulls a Joe Carter in a WS for the Cubs.


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Soriano might have been a hall of famer if he had stayed at second his entire career..but his numbers don't stand out as an outfielder

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He just needs 125 more HR and he could make it in!

While I'm joking, it's not out of the realm of possibility for him to play into his 40s as a DH and crank out 125 more. He does that, he might be in. Seems pretty unlikely, but I'm also not sure many saw Thome jack 600+.

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