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I don't see them trading DeJesus anytime soon, although I could see Byrd going at the deadline if not before. As much as I like Byrd's hustle, he just don't fit in with the Cubs right now. And they need to get something out of him instead of just letting him leave with no return.
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You don't take Verlander out in that situation. Unfortunately, he lost command and broke down in the 9th in the most critical time. Verlander is the best pitcher in baseball and a far safer play than Valverde to deliver the hammer in the 9th.
You dont take him out ? really after the out come!!! ?!?!?!?!?!?

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Again, you pretty much said complete game shutouts shouldn't happen once gain. You'd pretty much be the WORST players manager in league history.

If Verlander got them in order in the 9th should they have still gone to the closer in that situation? We wouldn't even be having this conversation. You can't base a decision off the result like that. It was the right call...
worst players manager ?

But he did not, there is a reason why you have a closer.

Both of you keep defending this shit. I take a W no matter how ugly it might be, that is what I would be payed for.

I am not saying they should not happen, but with a 2 run lead!!!! you get your closer in.

Were the tigers over by 4 or more runs ? no

Then I would keep the starter to finish the job, and you do know its also a statistics game right ?

If Verlander was dominating for most of the game at some point you will have a bad inning, and it happened on the 9th.

Any ways!!! as far as today's games are concerned, who are your guys picks ?
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You don't get it. At. All.

Should Leyland been like Gee Wizz I should get Valverde in the game cause the best pitcher in baseball having thrown only 80 pitches who has been bang on all day is CLEARLY going to blow it in the 9th. You stick with him. Every manager in baseball would have done this same thing. You are going completely against the grain on this one and I'm not sure you realize that.

And yes, worst players manager in baseball. You show loyalty to your ace in that situation. Again, this is something any manager would do.

You're speaking in hindsight which is completely nonsense. You are basing your argument off the outcome which could have easily been very different and would be 9 times out of 10 with a pitcher like Verlander which again means we wouldn't be having this discussion. Do managers have knowledge of the outcome of their decisions before they make them? Tell me you'd still be making a point that Valverde should have got the save if Verlander got the CGSO.

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re: 2012 GIANTS...TROUT >

Verlander does not come out in that game, just like you wouldn't take out Halladay, Lee, Weaver or any other ace of your staff. You leave them in and let them finish the game. And after the last couple of years that Verlander has had, there is no reason to doubt that he couldn't finish it off. This time, it didn't work out, the next 10 times it will work out in his favor.
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Yeah everyone's right, Verlander does not come out of that game in that situation. Like JM said, 9 times out of 10 he finishes that game off and gets the complete game. That's just baseball for you, some people just do not understand the game of baseball.

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For crying out loud!!!

just just.... ... Let me try to see if I can enlighten you in a Socratic way.

What is more important to win a game or try to get a shut out?
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...erlaju01.shtml

Just read his career stats. It shows right there in black and white that you do not take him out. He has had one subpar year in his career, yet you are saying you would take him out? That is just plain dumb.
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For crying out loud!!!

just just.... ... Let me try to see if I can enlighten you in a Socratic way.

What is more important to win a game or try to get a shut out?
Detroit's best shot at winning is with Verlander on the mound 99 times out of 100. This was that one time. You are not able to say anything to make anyone think you're right.

Speaking about what a team should have done based on the result of what they actually did does not make you sound savvy or smart. The 9 times out of a 10 Verlander finishes that game off we wouldn't be having this conversation and you wouldn't be speaking on it. Tell me otherwise.

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I can't believe anyone is actually dumb enough to want to take out the defending CY Young AND MVP in the 9th inning of a game when he has only given up ONE HIT. This shit isn't about getting a complete game or anything like that, it's about winning the game and you'd have to be a idiot to think that taking Verlander out in that situation would be good for your team. Sure in hindsight you can say whatever you want, but there's no way Verlander should come out right there.

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re: 2012 GIANTS...TROUT >

Garza vs. Grienke may be a good pitching match up today. Quietly, it can be better than Halladay vs. Johnson was yesterday. Next three opponents for the Cubs:

@STL
@Miami
@Cincinatti

I think Garza will be the stopper today.

EDIT:

Trumbo with his first HR while playing.... wait for it.... DH. Kendrys got a rest day, Trumbo doesn't have to do much thinking and worry about the field at 3B.


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