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Old 06-26-2012, 09:58 PM   #1031 (permalink)
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Maestro you make me laugh.

You want metrics when you don't get them and you don't want them when you do.

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Old 06-26-2012, 10:05 PM   #1032 (permalink)
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Oh yeah, Sox and Tigers have split so far 4-4, with no sweeps in the series. Nice fail again bro
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I don't read into stats too much so I can't tell you too much about them other than the typical 20th century stats before all these saber metrics came to life.

All I'm saying is Konerko hasn't been great. He's been average. Slump here, 7 game hitting streak there. Slump here, plunked in face, 18 game terror. Wrist surgery here, major slump NOW. Average is good but Rios has more timely hits and as many XBH. Konerko hits a lot of singles and hasn't been as reliable as Rios.

As far as Dunn, there's something to be said about being top five in the categories like HR's, RB's, BB's, OPS, Slugging, WAR, WZOBOAJ (a PP made up stat), but let's take into account how often he can't make contact with the damn ball in crucial situations where he needs to move the runner to the next base, hit a sac fly RBI, or simply get on base with a hit. If it's not a HR, it's a SO. And if it's not a SO, it's a BB (which doesn't get the job done).
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I actually agree with Maestro here. The stats aren't telling the whole story. I've watched a lot of White Sox and Rios has been major player. Don't know about slam dunk MVP, but Rios is a big deal on this team. Another thing those stats don't show is his play in RF.

edit: Actually maybe the WAR and wRC does. Still no clue what that shit is.

I do disagree that BB don't get the job done. They don't on their own, but nothing is done on its own in baseball. You need guys on base to score. This is only partially related to the topic which that ALEXEI is the GOATSOX.



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Darvish is an interesting pitcher. Dude almost always starts shaky the last few starts (5 or so) but gets stronger as the game goes on.
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I don't read into stats too much so I can't tell you too much about them other than the typical 20th century stats before all these saber metrics came to life.

All I'm saying is Konerko hasn't been great. He's been average. Slump here, 7 game hitting streak there. Slump here, plunked in face, 18 game terror. Wrist surgery here, major slump NOW. Average is good but Rios has more timely hits and as many XBH. Konerko hits a lot of singles and hasn't been as reliable as Rios.
What? In a small sample size this has no water. 60-100 ABs in situational hitting doesn't tell us much at all. Konerko's hit a slump in June but everyone goes through them during seasons. Konerko's been by far and away their best hitter.

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Considering that Dunn hits better with runners on base than not this argument as well doesn't hold much water. And at you trying to discredit the stats that go against your argument. I don't have to even use advanced stats like I did to prove my point that Dunn and Konerko have been better offensively than Rios. the slash line can tell me that.

But okay, your eyes explain the entire story. kthnx.

EDIT: while Rios has so far played above average defensively, RF is hardly a position where great defense is needed. If it was CF it'd be a different story, but RF is one of the lowest positions on the totem pole as far as defensive success is concerned (just above 1B and about equal with LF). Sure it's a nice thing to have, but offense > defense at that spot.
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That's pretty much Dice K too except Dice K hasn't had the same success this year. First inning is always dreadful and then he gets going.
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WTF is a slash line? GTFO with all this shit. I don't care. Why can't we just talk baseball without all this bullshit? HR's count in this situation, batting average counts here but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter depending on the situation of the game. WAR is the league average of OPS = BLAH BLAH / SLUGGING * 0.42049209810, which obviously means Brett Lawrie is the MVP on the Blue Jays because he has the best WAR. Let's compare 3B to CF'ers and now say RF's aren't as valuable as CF'ers. WTF WTF WTF. FAP FAP FAP

Please, stop. My mind is blown and I can't keep track of all this discussion in here anymore.
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WTF is a slash line? GTFO with all this shit. I don't care. Why can't we just talk baseball without all this bullshit? HR's count in this situation, batting average counts here but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter depending on the situation of the game. WAR is the league average of OPS = BLAH BLAH / SLUGGING * 0.42049209810, which obviously means Brett Lawrie is the MVP on the Blue Jays because he has the best WAR. Let's compare 3B to CF'ers and now say RF's aren't as valuable as CF'ers. WTF WTF WTF. FAP FAP FAP

Please, stop. My mind is blown and I can't keep track of all this discussion in here anymore.
alright I'm done. Sure Rios has had a fine year (I put him #5, no slight to him at all) but once someone disagrees and brings facts into it you just shun it away and say "LOL no Congratulations, you lose." w/e man. keep thinking Rios > Konerko and Dunn (first one isn't true and 2nd one is debatable at worst). I'm not saying it's all about numbers, but at least have something to back up your claim except subjective analysis.
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