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Old 07-19-2012, 08:39 PM   #601 (permalink)
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PENRITH Panthers and Australian Test star Luke Lewis has confirmed he has signed a four-year deal with the Cronulla Sharks.

Lewis rang the Sharks this morning to confirm he would be taking up their offer.

He also also telephoned rival clubs Newcastle, West Tigers and Parramatta to inform them he had signed elsewhere.

Cronulla will hold a press conference at 2pm to confirm their new signing.

It is believed the four-year deal could be worth as much as $1.8 million

The tug of war for Lewis's services started after he was released from his Penrith contract two weeks ago after claiming he needed a fresh start.

It had been reported that Lewis didn't believe he was considered part of Penrith's future under the regime of Phil Gould and new coach Ivan Cleary.

Speculation about his future started when he was stripped of the Panthers captaincy while on Origin duty.

Paul Gallen said yesterday he would happily relinquish his title as Cronulla's highest-paid player if it meant getting Lewis to the Sharks.

"It's about winning. If other people earn more money than me then that's fine," Gallen said on Thursday.

"If (getting Lewis to the club) means he earns more money than me then I don't care.

"Toddy (Carney's) probably earning more money than me.

"My contract's been done for almost 12 months now and I won't be changing it or extending it or leaving early.

"I'm more than happy with my contract and where's it's at."

Lewis and his wife went on a real estate tour of the Sutherland Shire on Wednesday.
Lewis off to the Sharks. They'll have a pretty boss side in 2013.
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:34 PM   #602 (permalink)
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Amazing once you guys got rid of that lump Snowden how good you look

Sharks are gonna be a strong side next season, as if they haven't improved enough...
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looks like we are losing jeremy smith to newcastle tho
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Not much of a loss when Luke Lewis is coming in as a replacement tho.
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You have no working knowledge of the game and you would probably bend over and take one from David Middleton if you could.
While Middleton might do extensive statistical research, he has no idea how to read them. In order to do this, you have to know what you are looking for – establish criteria, form a team strategy and pick players based on those criteria. If you asked him to pick a team, he’d come back with the same run-of-the-mill team that everyone else is picking.


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You have no undertsanding of positions, team dynamics, or any intangibles associated with players as you are only focused on statistical analysis of a couple of parameters that are involved with Rugby League.
See, this is nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about. You’re questioning my understanding of rudimentary elements when I have clearly demonstrated that I involve myself with more complex statistical analysis. Are you referring to shit such as Farah wears no. 9, so do all hookers? Matt Cooper plays on the left? What the hell are you trying to dumb it down to?


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Nah, i just know that you need to have a balanced side. All of your opinions on forwards are with a Queensland backline bias. Yeah, if i had a side with a backline like Queensland's then by all means pick blokes who are defensive machines. To put it in perspective NSW's halfback is Mitchell Pearce who by STATS (i know you love them) can't crack the top 10 hafbacks in the competition. So you need balance in that side to compensate for that. You need more ball playing forwards when your halfback can't create anything. You have no concept of that though. You have no discernable concept of what it requires to build a side.
You don’t seem to be able to compute the difference between club level and SOO. Anything goes at club level, teams are structured differently. When you have three intense games a season, the very first thing you need to be able to do is repel an attack. NSW seem to miss the point. Instead of fighting fire with fire, how about hosing it down?

You asked me to pick a NSW team? The current benchmark isn’t off the ground. I could pick any 17 players, and the result – at worst – would be exactly the same as it stands now, that’s 0 series wins in the last 7 years.

Halves create, that’s the primary task of their job. If you don’t have that, you need to look elsewhere.



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Lewis off to the Sharks. They'll have a pretty boss side in 2013.
If they lose Jeremy Smith, it’s a bad trade-off. They’ll feel it at Origin time.
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:23 AM   #607 (permalink)
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Halves create, that’s the primary task of their job. If you don’t have that, you need to look elsewhere.
Alright i'll stop you there. You said earlier in your post that NSW should basically stack their side with guys that are defensive machines. In the exact same post you say that if you have halves that can't create you need to look elsewhere. The two points are at odds with each other when our best halfback is Pearce. Wallace isn't much better either.

This is what i'm talking about when you have no idea on anything else other than the bare stats you see in front of you. You can't stack your side with ball playing forwards, or stack it with guys who only run on the edges or only run it through the middle. NSW needs to pick blokes who may not have the best statistical output in terms of tackles made compared to missed, but can compensate for the lack of originality and playmaking in the halves.

Its why guys like Tony Williams get selected even when not playing too much club football, he has the ability to create something out of nothing. Queensland can afford to play Myles, Harrison, Parker as a back row, they don;t need those guys to do anything other than defend the line and make the tough metres to get it out of their end of the park. They know that Cronk, Thurston, Smith, Slater or Inglis will make the right plays when in attack.

NSW selected Stewart, Carney, Pearce and Farah. Of those Stewart is getting up in age, is injury prone and i don't think he's good enough anymore especially when Hayne is getting wasted on the wing, and Dugan who is a player we can build around for the future isn't getting a look in. Carney is fine, he needs more time to show he can handle the pressure. Farah surprised me and was NSW's best player for much of the series but Pearce is an utter donkey. He can't defend, he can't create, his kicking game is mediocre and he's not a strong ball runner either. He is an average NRL quality half, but when you have a guy like him in your side then you need to have other creative players hence Stewart, Williams, Watmough in the back row. Being a Manly fan i watch them week in week out and while they all give away far too many penalties and miss too many tackles they more than make up for it in attack.

And in spite of all that they got mightily close to beating the Queenslanders anyway. Even while having the poorer team on paper, they still almost got the series win. My whole argument with you is that stats only tell half the story, yet you rely entirely on them, and your own statistical judgement on what a player must statistically achieve.
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Okay, then I won’t use stats to support any of what I’m about to say. The point about looking elsewhere is referring to coming up with the best attacking combination in the halves, not finding other avenues of attack. Earlier in this thread, we discussed Campese/Carney. I also think Wallace is completely underrated in setting up the attack – kicking game, organising runners and decoys, picking out weak defenders around which to focus the point of attack. Even with Lockyer, we employed the system that most teams do where they exclusively use one half on each side of the field. There, we’re looking at him being responsible for half of the team’s attack. Cast your mind to when he was unavailable through injury, how poor did Locky look?

Tony Williams is a defensive liability. He’s the "right play/s in attack" for Cronk, Thurston, Smith, Slater and Inglis. Picking these players is taking one step forward, two steps back.

Hayne makes poor reads in defence. He simply isn’t a winger. If you are looking to maximise your attacking output, you’d clearly play him ahead of Stewart at FB. His long kicking game would also take pressure off of the halves.

I’m not suggesting you stick with Pearce, but you have to factor in growth and continuity issues. One would suggest the team is comfortable playing with him. You are compromising the dynamics of the established group by ousting him and seeking a new playmaker. That's the kind of thing you're usually peddling.
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Wallace is complete and utter shit being pedlle pushed by Brisbane fanboys as something he isn't. As I said earlier, NSW should run with Reynolds as our #7, he could get a great partnership going with Carney, and Reynolds is a great attacking creator and very sound in defence.

In regards to Parra beating Melbourne, that'll do me. Storm sorely need Slater back to return to the winning ways.
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I wanted Carney/Maloney. Both play 5/8th but as you said, it doesn't matter a great deal when you have playmakers generally staying to one side of the field. Both are brilliant with the ball in hand, and maloney has a very very good attacking kicking game.

What Williams lacks in defense, is offset by his attack. If you have a good defender like Josh Morris on his outside then he's not really much of a liability.

I really want to see Dugan at FB and Hayne at wing, until another properly good winger comes along. If Uate could learn how to defend he'd be be there for sure with Hayne at FB. Stewart as much as i love him has lost so much pace with his knee injuries which means he's more exposed when opposition sides make a break. Excellent in attack but again, loss of pace is really noticable.

Pearce has had 9 games in which to make an impact. I don't mind leaving a guy in for an entire series, but if they don't make a huge impact then you got to ask yourself is he the right guy. Its not about dropping a guy after one bad performance or picking the new flavour of the week/month/year etc. Pearce has been in there long enough to settle, make an impact and make the jersey his own but he hasn't done it.
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